Re: [Asrg] DNS over SCTP (was: Re: DNS-based Email Sender Authentication Mechanisms: a Critical Review

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Thu, 28 May 2009 13:18 UTC

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From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] DNS over SCTP (was: Re: DNS-based Email Sender Authentication Mechanisms: a Critical Review
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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 03:04:19PM +0200,
 Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote 
 a message of 30 lines which said:

> I thought TCP was the default when the UDP message size is not
> enough.  

Well, in theory, it should be EDNS0 (standardized in the previous
century) but, in practice, it has deployment issues, like everything
which was invented after Jon Postel's death.

> It seems that DNS over SCTP would solve 90% of the problems with 10%
> of the efforts and resources required to implement DNSSEC. However,
> I hear more often about the latter than the former. How come?

I've read this message via the IETF general mailing list and so I
missed the beginning. In what way can you compare DNSSEC (which
provides object security) and SCTP or TCP (which provide a better
channel security for DNS)?