Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs
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So, Rich, Is it your position that users should not have any mechanism to report spam? Or that standardisation of a reporting procedure would be harmful because that makes it easier for spammers to finesse the system? Or something else? --On 4 February 2010 14:47:43 -0500 Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 01:59:04PM -0500, Seth wrote: >> Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> wrote: >> > There's the zombie problem. There is no way for anyone or anything >> > external to an end-user's system to know whether the button click >> > (or equivalent event) was generated by a user or by software working >> > at the behest of the new owner of the user's former system. Given >> > that the zombie problem is epidemic and presently unstoppable, >> > widescale deployment of any such mechanism will lead to its use by >> > zombie-resident malware as soon as it's advantageous for abusers to >> > do so. Thus, anyone proposing such a "report as spam" mechanism on a >> > large scale must also include in their proposal a workable plan for >> > solving the zombie problem. >> >> How would it be advantageous for a zombie to report as spam? Report >> as non-spam, sure, to game the filters. But with the data being noisy >> to begin with, zombies adding noise don't have much effect; they might >> require tuning of the filters. > > Well, the zombie problem is massive enough that *if* spammers found it > useful to do so, they could, on a whim, generate enough noise to swamp > the signal. After all, they now own every email credential present on, > or used on, all those zombie systems. If we take very conservative > estimates for (a) zombie population and (b) email credentials/zombie, > which I'll put at 100M and 5, that's half a billion accounts that can be > used for starters. I think much more realistic estimates are probably > 200M and 10, BTW, but I we're still talking an order of magnitude around > "billion". That's not only a large number, but it's much larger than the > number of users who would use such buttons, and *many* orders of magnitude > larger than the number of clueful users, whose fraction of the population > I would place at no more than 1 in 10e5-10e6. > > There's also nothing stopping those same spammers from creating an > essentially-unlimited number of email accounts anywhere that those zombies > (or the access/credentials on them) permit them to. That starts with ~10K > freemail providers and extends to any ISP or email provider that allows > its users to create multiple accounts. (For example, my DSL provider > allows me to create up to 7. I've only got 1 in service, but anyone who > hijacked my desktop system would be able to create the other 6 and -- > if careful enough -- prevent me from noticing.) This is fairly common > with major consumer ISPs, which allow users to create email accounts > for additional family members. > > All of this combined means that spammers could easily overwhelm any such > reporting system the moment it went live. They've already beaten it. > > Now as to why they might bother: > > They stand to gain considerably by (a) creating FP reports (b) creating > FN reports (c) suppressing TP reports (d) suppressing TN reports. And > they can use the same zombies (or other systems) to generate traffic > which can then be processed (a) through (d). > > For example, they could go after their competition with (a). They could > try to avoid classification of their own spam with (c). They could > generate targeted traffic -- e.g., a spam run to known-owned accounts -- > and use (b) to mark it as not-spam. There are all kinds of combinations > available to them -- it's just a matter of what goal(s) they might have > and what it's worth to them to pursue those goals. (And I think I'll > stop outlining scenarios here as I'm sure they're listening.) > > Now, certainly some heavy-handed manipulation might be detected, and > I'm sure it would/will be. But [some] spammers are very crafty, and > are easily smart enough to figure out how to game the system. And > if/when the system poses an inconvenience to them: they will. They've > done it repeatedly in the past. (See "zombies, creation of in order > to evade contemporary DNSBLs") It would be a major strategic error > to underestimate either their willingness or their ability to turn > this to their advantage. > > So I see this entire approach as pre-failed. Even in an imaginary > world where users could function as reliable classifiers (and in > this real world, they are absolutely miserable classifiers: we all > know this because we know that if they *weren't*, we would not be > here discussing how to address the spam problem [1]) spammers have > the capability of generating far more inputs to the aggregate system > than all humans combined, and thus dominating the results by a huge > margin -- for whatever purpose suits them. > > ---Rsk > > [1] For example, as Juha-Matti Laurio noted on "funsec" just yesterday: > > "Internet scammers had a bumper year in 2009 with people around > the world continue to be duped by so-called 419 frauds, with one > Dutch private investigation company estimating the highest ever > annual losses occurred in 2009. > > Victims lost at least US$9.3 billion last year, up from $6.3 > billion in 2008, said Frank Engelsman of Ultrascan, a Dutch > company that investigates 419 scams - also known as advance-fee > frauds (AFFs) - and other types of crime. Ultrascan will release > a complete report on Friday on its website. > > AFF scams originating in Nigeria were so pervasive that the > country's Economic and Financial Crimes Commission stepped up law > enforcement efforts in recent years to crack down on scammers." > --clip-- > > More at > http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/security/cybercrime/news/index > .cfm?newsid=18581 > > It appears that the report is here: > http://www.ultrascan-agi.com/public_html/html/public_research_reports.ht > ml > > _______________________________________________ > Asrg mailing list > Asrg@irtf.org > http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg -- Ian Eiloart IT Services, University of Sussex 01273-873148 x3148 For new support requests, see http://www.sussex.ac.uk/its/help/
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- Re: [Asrg] More reasons you can't overload POP an… John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Daniel Feenberg
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… Peter J. Holzer
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… Bart Schaefer
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Seth
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Bart Schaefer
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Steve Atkins
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Alessandro Vesely
- [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was We re… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Douglas Otis
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Seth
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Rich Kulawiec
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs SM
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs der Mouse
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs Douglas Otis
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs John Leslie
- Re: [Asrg] Fallback to MX John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Fallback to MX Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Fallback to MX John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Fallback to MX der Mouse
- Re: [Asrg] Fallback to MX John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs SM