Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via posting (was Re: Iteration #3)

Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz <Jose-Marcio.Martins@ensmp.fr> Wed, 10 February 2010 12:32 UTC

Return-Path: <Jose-Marcio.Martins@ensmp.fr>
X-Original-To: asrg@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: asrg@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B42728C154 for <asrg@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:32:59 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.249
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JfM7fL25GCn3 for <asrg@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:32:58 -0800 (PST)
Received: from boipeva.ensmp.fr (cobra.ensmp.fr [194.214.158.101]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FC628C134 for <asrg@irtf.org>; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:32:57 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost.localdomain (joe.j-chkmail.org [88.168.143.55]) (authenticated bits=0) by boipeva.ensmp.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/JMMC-11/Feb/2009) with ESMTP id o1ACXw60017254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:33:58 +0100 (MET)
Message-ID: <4B72A7A6.2070409@ensmp.fr>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:33:42 +0100
From: Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz <Jose-Marcio.Martins@ensmp.fr>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090908 Fedora/1.1.18-1.fc11 SeaMonkey/1.1.18
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF <asrg@irtf.org>
References: <4B6C6D35.1050101@nortel.com> <4B6D41E3.8000209@tana.it> <4B6DAD0C.3020109@nortel.com> <4B6DB6D1.5050805@dcrocker.net> <4B71B2E4.2060103@ensmp.fr> <5E6E00B6524D6B3BCD76E413@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <5E6E00B6524D6B3BCD76E413@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Miltered: at boipeva with ID 4B72A7B6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)!
X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4B72A7B6.000/88.168.143.55/joe.j-chkmail.org/localhost.localdomain/<Jose-Marcio.Martins@ensmp.fr>
Cc: dcrocker@bbiw.net
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via posting (was Re: Iteration #3)
X-BeenThere: asrg@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: Jose-Marcio.Martins@ensmp.fr, Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF <asrg@irtf.org>
List-Id: Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF <asrg.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg>, <mailto:asrg-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.irtf.org/mail-archive/web/asrg>
List-Post: <mailto:asrg@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:asrg-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg>, <mailto:asrg-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:32:59 -0000

Hi,

Ian Eiloart wrote:

> 
>>
>> But I (and surely others) have another requirement. It could be
>> interesting to use this mechanism in an active learning context. That
>> means, user can receive the message flagged as "label required". So the
>> feedback should include the information : ham/spam.
>>
> 
> Yes, the content of the report remains to be discussed. If we were able 
> to go down the route of labelling the message on the mailstore, I'd like 
> to see a rich set of messages available for two way information flow, 
> including the following meanings:
> 
> The server filter thinks this message is junk.
> The server filter thinks this message is not junk.
> The MUA filter thinks this message is junk
> The MUA filter thinks this message is not junk
> The user has asserted that this message is unwanted
> The user has asserted that this message is wanted
> The user has asserted that this message is reportable

The filter in the MTA is asking what label the final user assigns to this message.

I'm talking about some way to let the filter in the MTA ask a question to the final user. And the 
report submission could be used to send this information back to the filter in the MTA. This is 
active learning.

This and your meanings were subject of discussion in a dead subgroup of ASRG (filtering, if I 
remember its name).

The content of the report can have some free text space which can be used to add all this additional 
information.



-- 
  ---------------------------------------------------------------
  Jose Marcio MARTINS DA CRUZ           http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr
  Ecole des Mines de Paris
  60, bd Saint Michel                      75272 - PARIS CEDEX 06
  mailto:Jose-Marcio.Martins@mines-paristech.fr