RE: [Asrg] US Spam patents: Partial list
"Peter Kay" <peter@titankey.com> Tue, 17 June 2003 02:23 UTC
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Alan, Let me refine what I said: discussions on whether a given idea is patentable or not, or whether a patent holder has a right to a given patent, are not productive to this list because those questions are best answered by those skilled in the art/science of patent filing. With that, my responses are: > > "Peter Kay" <peter@titankey.com> wrote: > > I think those type of comments and questions about what is > patentable > > or not are unproductive to this list, > > Discussions of prior art for anti-spam patents should be > explicitely on-topic for this list. > I agree. > > Unless you're a seasoned patent attorney, patent examiner, > or one that > > has submitted several patents and gone through the > examination process > > many times, all one can offer is something less than a "armchair > > quarterback" opinion that will typically lead to even more guessing > > and we'll end up getting excited over nothing. > > So people with experience in a technical field are > unqualified to discuss technology in their field, as soon as > the magic word "patent" appears. No. But techncal people do not have the knowledge to productively discuss the legality and/or enforecability of a patent. > However, people > knowledgable in the areas of patents are qualified to discuss > technology in *other* peoples fields, even when those > patent-people are manifestly untrained, and inexperienced in > those fields. > No. Those skilled in patents can tell you about the patent but probably can't describe the underlying technology that is contained within the patent. > > Asking technical people for their opinions on the patent process is > > like asking laypeople to comment on complex software architecture: > > you'll get comments that are completely out of scope and > wildly incorrect. > > Asking technical people for their opinions of the TECHNICAL > MERITS of patents is always appropriate. > I agree. Technical merits, yes. Prior art, yes. Patent enforcability and/or validity, probably not. > ASRG is attempting to resolve the consent exchange issue, > for email. Patents which limit the available solutions > should be discussed. Patents which have prior art should > also be discussed. I agree. And add this: "discussions of whether a given patent is enforceable or legitimate SHOULD not be discussed". Peter _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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