RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
"Beadles, Mark A" <MBeadles@SmartPipes.com> Fri, 06 June 2003 14:53 UTC
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From: "Beadles, Mark A" <MBeadles@SmartPipes.com>
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Subject: RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:46:26 -0000
>From: "Peter Kay" <peter@titankey.com> Amplifying on Vernon's comments, and an observation of my own concerning "intent" as an element of a spam definition. Re: > Bulk email is defined as the transmission of 2 or more emails via a > primarily automated process. This definition would include any use of Cc: (or indeed 2 or more To: recipients) as "bulk email". Use of multiple recipients or cc: results in the transmission of 2 or more emails, one to each recipient, through a primarily automated process. The problem is the fuzziness of the noun "email". How do you "count" emails? From a sender's point of view, one email is sent. From the recipients' aggregate points of view, multiple emails are received. Any definition of spam that would include a normal message cc'ed to one other person is broken. > Spam is defined as unsolicited bulk email Also, regarding "unsolicited": there are shades of gray there. A government representative/parliament member/etc. may by default be assumed to have solicited emails from any member of his/her consistuency (without having to individually consent to/solicit transmissions from each consistuent). This does not mean they also have by default solicited advertisements for growth creams. Similar examples would be a newspaper editorial desk or a commercial complaints department. These recipients could be assumed to have solicited email from any sender, and in the case of the editorial desk, on any subject, but again, this does not mean that all emails whatsoever have been solicited. ***** A good criteria for "what is spam" would seem in my opinion to be based on the _intent_ of the sender. This is of course an elusive thing to measure via protocol or filtering rules. Intent is often measured by other non-human systems using techniques such as: * Heuristics (which could be implemented at sender, relay, or recipient) which gauge intent and apply filtering, marking or classification * Improved human-computer interaction at the sender, which measures intent of the sender interactively * Imposing some form of cost (not necessarily financial) upon the sender, causing the sender to self-impose heuristics related to intent One issue with the above techniques is that access to raw SMTP allows some of the above to be bypassed (notably any measures taken within the sender's client). However, measures implemented within the relay or at the recipient end, as well as certain cost-based measures, could still be quite effective at measuring intent. + Mark Anthony Beadles + mbeadles@smartpipes.com + + Chief Architect + SmartPipes, Inc. + + Vox 614.923.5657 + Fax 614.923.6299 + _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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