Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...

Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> Thu, 05 June 2003 02:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
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On June 4, 2003 at 20:29 research@solidmatrix.com (Yakov Shafranovich) wrote:
 > At 07:23 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, Barry Shein wrote:
 > 
 > 
 > >At this point if we could just get rid of the spamming which is best
 > >characterized by its illegal/gray-area behavior I suspect the problem
 > >would become much more manageable even if not completely solved.
 > >[..]
 > 
 > Would you nevertheless agree that UBE that is not sent using "llegal and/or 
 > ethically questionable methods" would still be considered spam?

Of course, this is just the worst and most urgent subset, in my
opinion.

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