RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
"Peter Kay" <peter@titankey.com> Thu, 05 June 2003 07:06 UTC
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Vernon Schryver [mailto:vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:09 PM > To: asrg@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... > > > From: "Peter Kay" <peter@titankey.com> > > > ... > > Spam is defined as unsolicited bulk email > > > > Bulk email is defined as the transmission of 2 or more emails via a > > primarily automated process. > > > > Unsolicited email is defined as email where the recipient has not > > implicitly or explicitly approved of receiving email from the sender. > > > > Sender can mean an individual or an organization. > > > > A recipient implicitly approves of receiving email from a given sender > > if the recipient has previously sent email to the sender and the > > recipient has not explicitly requested to not receive further email from > > the sender. > > From: Vernon Schryver [mailto:vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com] > I'm sorry, but I find that last paragraph very wrong. Silence in the > face of spam is never consent to more spam! > I tried to word that paragraph carefully but probably stumbled. Either that or you missed the "and". What I'm saying in that last paragraph is that if I've sent you email before AND I've not explicitly asked not to receive email from you anymore, THEN I'm implicitly approving receiving email from you. > Consent to unsolicited bulk email must always be explicit and precede > first message. Agreed. my definition above was about the word "implicit" only, not "ube". > It does not matter how the consent is expressed, > whether by a proper mailing list subscription including confirmation > or some other message. It does matter that spam is spam even it > claims "There is no need to unsubscribe since this is a one-time mailing." > (That phrase was once very common in spam. It's more common now ) > agreed and the above does not contradict that. > Other bits of that definition are objectionable because they are > distracting and irrelevant. It does not matter whether an advertisement > is sent in batch of 1000 or if the energetic and desperate salesperson > addressed and "targeted" each copy manually and so doesn't manage to > send more than 5000 before running out of time to "make quota." > if you can define "bulk" to handle that case I'm all for it. _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
- [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Art Pollard
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Bill Cole
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Eric D. Williams
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Crocker
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Crocker
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Aronson
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Aronson
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Alberto França
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Bill Cole
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Crocker
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Yakov Shafranovich
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Bill Cole
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... kent
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... kent
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Eric D. Williams
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
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- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Aronson
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- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... C. Wegrzyn
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Bill Cole
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Aronson
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Beadles, Mark A
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... mathew
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... mathew
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Margie Arbon
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... mathew
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... mathew
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Aronson
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... waltdnes
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... waltdnes