Re: [Asrg] Some data on the validity of MAIL FROM addresses

Kee Hinckley <nazgul@somewhere.com> Mon, 19 May 2003 14:27 UTC

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To: Vernon Schryver <vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com>
From: Kee Hinckley <nazgul@somewhere.com>
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Some data on the validity of MAIL FROM addresses
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Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:58:35 -0400

At 9:48 PM -0600 5/18/03, Vernon Schryver wrote:
>I don't want to imply or guess anything about those "too may test
>messages," but it's worth noting something that too many people
>conveniently forget or feel doesn't apply to their Special Needs.
>Spam is never justified by any goal or desire of the spammer,
>including any sort of surveying, testing, or avoiding spam.

I was replying to mail sent to the wormalert@somewhere.com hoax.  The 
message made it extremely clear (I spent a lot of time fine tuning 
it) in the first line that I was replying to mail they had sent me. 
It didnt' matter.

Initially I was doing a reply-all.  That got me in trouble real fast. 
I switched to just doing a normal reply--but I was still getting 
complaints and getting shut out by some servers.  So I gave up and 
bounced it with an extended bounce message.  That does not appear to 
have resulted in any spam complaints--although it gets ignored far 
more.

So.  Is it spam to send people email asking them to stop abusing your 
email server?  Not by any stretch I can imagine.  But in today's 
hair-trigger environment--it gets treated like it.
-- 
Kee Hinckley
http://www.messagefire.com/          Junk-Free Email Filtering
http://commons.somewhere.com/buzz/   Writings on Technology and Society

I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept
responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate
everyone else's.
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