Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? Support only EUI-64interfaces?
"Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> Mon, 02 August 2010 16:39 UTC
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From: "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 09:39:17 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? Support only EUI-64interfaces?
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Hi Teco, > -----Original Message----- > From: Teco Boot [mailto:teco@inf-net.nl] > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 6:57 AM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: autoconf@ietf.org autoconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? Support only EUI-64interfaces? > > Fred, > > Do you mean DHCP relay can be used on a node, that request an address > for itself? I mean that the client function on a node sends a DHCP request that is intercepted by a relay function on that same node. The relay forwards the DHCP request to a DHCP server, which then sends a reply via the same relay. The relay then forwards the reply to the client on the same node, and the client does the appropriate thing. > I think it could work this way: > 1) Node queries with link-local to All_DHCP_Relay_Agents_and_Servers. > 2a) Node acts as also relay and queries with ULA (site-local) to All_DHCP_Servers. > 2b) If node is provisioned with DHCP server unicast address, it could use that > instead of All_DHCP_Servers. > I think this is in line with your RFC 5558. > > Drawback of 1: it can result in high number of relayed DHCP packets, in case > of many neighbors. > Another drawback of 1: there is a timeout delay when there is no relay or server > at one hop. Right, but that's not the scenario I was describing. > For 2a: the network needs multicast support. Could be SMF. Ack. > For both 2a and 2b: a temporally used unicast address must be routable. So this > DHCP mechanism can only be used as a second step, moving from the self-generated > address to a centrally managed address. That's what VET is essentially saying, yes. Thanks - Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com > Teco > > > > > Op 30 jul 2010, om 17:40 heeft Templin, Fred L het volgende geschreven: > > > Teco, > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: autoconf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Teco Boot > >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:58 AM > >> To: autoconf@ietf.org autoconf@ietf.org > >> Subject: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? Support only EUI-64interfaces? > >> > >> RFC3315: > >> ... The client > >> MUST use a link-local address assigned to the interface for which it > >> is requesting configuration information as the source address in the > >> header of the IP datagram. > >> > >> Question: can we get around a MUST in a standards track RFC? > >> I don't think so. > > > > If the MANET router only behaves as a client on an internal > > link (e.g., a loopback) but behaves as a relay on its MANET > > interfaces, then link-locals need not be exposed for DHCPv6 > > purposes. There are other reasons why link-locals might need > > to be considered for MANETs, but I'm not sure this is one > > of them. > > > > Fred > > fred.l.templin@boeing.com > > > >> The to be posted proposed text for to be RFC5889 would say that if link-locals are used, there are > >> potential problems when using other than modified EUI-64 IIDs, and therefore must be based on > >> modified EUI-64 IIDs. > >> > >> Second question, on first item in charter: do we limit ourself to MANET routers that has modified > >> EUI-64 link-locals? > >> I think: better think twice. > >> > >> Opinions? > >> > >> Teco. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Autoconf mailing list > >> Autoconf@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf
- [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? Suppo… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Henning Rogge
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Rogge Henning
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Henning Rogge
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Joe Macker