Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf)
Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> Thu, 05 March 2009 11:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf)
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Alexandru Petrescu a écrit : > HyungJin Lim a écrit : >> I'm sorry for correction about the following comment and duplicate >> comments. >> My first language is not English. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: *HyungJin Lim* <dream.hjlim@gmail.com >> <mailto:dream.hjlim@gmail.com>> >> Date: 2009/3/5 >> Subject: Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Network >> Autoconfiguration (autoconf) >> To: iesg@ietf.org <mailto:iesg@ietf.org> >> Cc: autoconf@ietf.org <mailto:autoconf@ietf.org>, >> alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com <mailto:alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> >> >> >> Inline... >> >> 2009/3/5 IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org >> <mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org>> >> >> A modified charter has been submitted for the Ad-Hoc Network >> Autoconfiguration working group in the Internet Area of the IETF. >> The >> IESG has not made any determination as yet. The modified charter is >> provided below for informational purposes only. Please send your >> comments >> to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org <mailto:iesg@ietf.org>) by >> Wednesday, March 11, 2009. >> >> Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf) >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> Last Modified: 2009-02-18 >> >> Current Status: Active Working Group >> >> Additional information is available at tools.ietf.org/wg/autoconf >> <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/autoconf> >> >> Chair(s): >> Ryuji Wakikawa [ryuji.wakikawa@gmail.com >> <mailto:ryuji.wakikawa@gmail.com>] >> Thomas Clausen [T.Clausen@computer.org >> <mailto:T.Clausen@computer.org>] >> >> Internet Area Director(s): >> Jari Arkko [jari.arkko@piuha.net <mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net>] >> Mark Townsley [townsley@cisco.com <mailto:townsley@cisco.com>] >> >> Internet Area Advisor: >> Jari Arkko [jari.arkko@piuha.net <mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net>] >> >> Mailing Lists: >> General Discussion: autoconf@ietf.org <mailto:autoconf@ietf.org> >> To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >> Archive: >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/maillist.html >> >> Description of Working Group: >> >> In order to communicate among themselves, ad hoc nodes (refer to RFC >> 2501) need to configure their network interface(s) with local >> addresses >> that are valid within an ad hoc network. Ad hoc nodes may also >> need to >> configure globally routable addresses, in order to communicate with >> devices on the Internet. From the IP layer perspective, an ad hoc >> network presents itself as a L3 multi-hop network formed over a >> collection of links. >> >> >> In here, I have a question ! >> What's meaning of globally routable addresses ? > > I think it's a commonly agreed term, in the IPv6 Addressing Architecture > RFC. > >> I think globally routable addresses should include topologically >> correct address and topologically incorrect address. > > Correct relative to what? > >> The reason I address this is that the NEMO basic support should >> configure topologically incorrect address in nested NEMO. > > I agree: addresses configured within a nested NEMO moving network are > probably topologically incorrect with respect to the CoA and subnet > assigned to the top-level Mobile Router egress interface of a parent > NEMO moving network. > >> But topologically incorrect address is also globally routable >> addresses if it a packet forwarding mechanism (e.g., tunneling) is >> supported, not packet routing(e.g. OLSR, DYMO, etc.). > > I agree. > >> The main purpose of the AUTOCONF WG is to describe the addressing >> model >> for ad hoc networks and how nodes in these networks configure their >> addresses. It is required that such models do not cause problems >> for ad >> hoc-unaware parts of the system, such as standard applications >> running >> on an ad hoc node or regular Internet nodes attached to the ad hoc >> nodes. This group's effort may include the development of new >> protocol >> mechanisms, should the existing IP autoconfiguration mechanisms be >> found >> inadequate. However, the first task of the working group is to >> describe >> one practical addressing model for ad hoc networks. >> >> >> What's meaning of practical addressing model ? >> *Although we already discussed this issue in MANEMO BoF,* *we should >> *consider practical scenarios for practical addressing model in real >> world I think. >> The only simplest scenario *can not* satisfy requirements and other >> aspects in more complex scenario which include Internet connectivity, >> nested pattern, group mobility, wireless coverage, and so on. >> >> I would like suggest to define some requirements for practical scenarios. >> Then, the simplest scenario also can be considered as a base topic of >> them I think. > > I tend to agree with the approach > > I'm just afraid that defining new requirements may lengthen the process > of coming up with a practical addressing model. I think the word > practical is there to just mean that in practice many of us may write an > addressing model in a very straightforward manner, which would work in > each one's particular case. > > Maybe we could find the practical and easiest simplest most convenient > way of a common denominator addressing models for some very simple > dynamic networks. But yes, I agree with you on the necessity to come up with the simplest scenario as a base topic for more complex. Alex
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Teco Boot
- [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Network… IESG Secretary
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… HyungJin Lim
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… HyungJin Lim
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… HyungJin Lim
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Alexandru Petrescu
- [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Network… IESG Secretary
- [Autoconf] Fwd: WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Ne… Ryuji Wakikawa