Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCONF charter proposal.
"Charles E. Perkins" <charles.perkins@earthlink.net> Fri, 02 July 2010 16:41 UTC
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Hello Emmanuel and all, Thanks for supporting the consideration of decentralized approach. I'm pretty sure we could get at least one good working solution in time a lot faster than it took to agree that not everything is an Ethernet. However, it's important to avoid making a sharp dichotomy between "centralized" and "decentralized" approaches. My big concern was that somehow the DHCP model was going to be considered the only viable choice because people (outsiders?) consider it to be the only known quantity. There are other ways to have more centralized or less centralized procedures, with or without proxy assistance, perhaps hybridized approaches, and with improved availability via elections. Those are just a few of the options, and probably all of them are way better than trying to shoehorn DHCP where it does not seem to fit. Flushing years of development and wisdom down the toilet just because they doesn't spell DHCP seems really wrong to me. Another point to keep in mind -- DHCP was designed and built from day one to be a _managed_ solution for autoconfiguration. It seems quite clear to me that most of the interesting development and inspiration for ad hoc networks has gone towards enabling networking in environments where no such tightly managed administration is possible. Thus, in my view, DHCP almost tautologically disqualifies itself from consideration without major structural redesign. How is it, then, that DHCP keeps cropping up in the discussion? Regards, Charlie P. On 7/1/2010 2:28 AM, Emmanuel Baccelli wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) > <Chris.Dearlove@baesystems.com <mailto:Chris.Dearlove@baesystems.com>> > wrote: > > Charles Perkins > > I'd be happy if it were possible for [autoconf] to > > be allowed to consider the excellent body of work that > > was seen already years ago -- the same body of work > > that motivated me and others to create and spend a lot > > of time over the last years and years. > > If Charlie can find a few like-minded people to work on > that, why not add this as a parallel activity? The > rationale of why two cases should be straightforward to > make, they are almost chalk and cheese in e.g. centralised > versus non-centralised. This is actually added safety to > the group producing something, as if one succeeds and the > other fails, that's still good. > > > > I also think this parallel approach could be appropriate too. > > > Unfortunately, I can't offer to be one of those people. > Although I should be able to contribute at the read and > comment level, more than that is needed. I only didn't > make the suggestion earlier as it needs people (with > all due respect to Charlie, plural) to do the work. > > > > I'd be happy to help out on the matter. So I guess we have a plural + > contributors ;) > > cheers, > > Emmanuel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Autoconf mailing list > Autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf
- [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCONF ch… Ryuji Wakikawa
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Henning Rogge
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Henning Rogge
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Ryuji Wakikawa
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Zach Shelby
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Zach Shelby
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [Autoconf] Security (Was: Re: Call for commen… Henning Rogge
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… HyungJin Lim
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Henning Rogge
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Emmanuel Baccelli
- [Autoconf] Security (Was: Re: Call for comments t… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Autoconf] Security (Was: Re: Call for commen… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Stan Ratliff
- Re: [Autoconf] Security (Was: Re: Call for commen… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Autoconf] Security (Was: Re: Call for commen… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Emmanuel Baccelli
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Zach Shelby
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Henning Rogge
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Holtzer, A.C.G. (Arjen)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Mark Townsley
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Emmanuel Baccelli
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Mark Townsley
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Mark Townsley
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Cedric Adjih
- Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCON… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] DHCP and AUTOCONF (was: Call for c… Alexandru Petrescu