Re: [Autoconf] Call for comments to a new AUTOCONF charter proposal.

"Charles E. Perkins" <charles.perkins@earthlink.net> Fri, 02 July 2010 16:41 UTC

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Hello Emmanuel and all,

Thanks for supporting the consideration
of decentralized approach.  I'm pretty
sure we could get at least one good
working solution in time a lot faster
than it took to agree that not everything
is an Ethernet.

However, it's important to avoid making
a sharp dichotomy between "centralized"
and "decentralized" approaches.  My big
concern was that somehow the DHCP model
was going to be considered the only viable
choice because people (outsiders?) consider
it to be the only known quantity.  There are
other ways to have more centralized or less
centralized procedures, with or without
proxy assistance, perhaps hybridized
approaches, and with improved availability
via elections.

Those are just a few of the options, and
probably all of them are way better than
trying to shoehorn DHCP where it does not
seem to fit.  Flushing years of development
and wisdom down the toilet just because
they doesn't spell DHCP seems really wrong
to me.

Another point to keep in mind -- DHCP was
designed and built from day one to be a
_managed_ solution for autoconfiguration.
It seems quite clear to me that most of the
interesting development and inspiration for
ad hoc networks has gone towards enabling
networking in environments where no such
tightly managed administration is possible.
Thus, in my view, DHCP almost tautologically
disqualifies itself from consideration
without major structural redesign.  How is
it, then, that DHCP keeps cropping up in
the discussion?

Regards,
Charlie P.



On 7/1/2010 2:28 AM, Emmanuel Baccelli wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
> <Chris.Dearlove@baesystems.com <mailto:Chris.Dearlove@baesystems.com>>
> wrote:
>
>     Charles Perkins
>      > I'd be happy if it were possible for [autoconf] to
>      > be allowed to consider the excellent body of work that
>      > was seen already years ago -- the same body of work
>      > that motivated me and others to create and spend a lot
>      > of time over the last years and years.
>
>     If Charlie can find a few like-minded people to work on
>     that, why not add this as a parallel activity? The
>     rationale of why two cases should be straightforward to
>     make, they are almost chalk and cheese in e.g. centralised
>     versus non-centralised. This is actually added safety to
>     the group producing something, as if one succeeds and the
>     other fails, that's still good.
>
>
>
> I also think this parallel approach could be appropriate too.
>
>
>     Unfortunately, I can't offer to be one of those people.
>     Although I should be able to contribute at the read and
>     comment level, more than that is needed. I only didn't
>     make the suggestion earlier as it needs people (with
>     all due respect to Charlie, plural) to do the work.
>
>
>
> I'd be happy to help out on the matter. So I guess we have a plural +
> contributors ;)
>
> cheers,
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
>
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