Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call for RFC5889modifications
"Charles E. Perkins" <charles.perkins@earthlink.net> Fri, 27 August 2010 03:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call
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Hello Chris, I'm responding again, because I'd like to have a fruitful discussion. On 8/26/2010 7:21 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: > This started from the specific example, so that is clearly quite > to the point. You may now be discussing other cases, but that's > another matter. Do you mean the specific example of your nodes running OLSR and identifying MPRs? I'm happy to agree that your nodes are routers. If I discussed other cases, it was only to reach the goal of identifying the boundary between hostness and routerness. Is that sufficiently to the point? > If by a node we mean a physically separate entity (in a > wireless network) and if we allow that node to be independently > mobile and to connect to other nodes (otherwise it's not really > an ad hoc node) and it is to be unicast reachable from elsewhere > in the network via one of those other nodes, then it has to be > running something. Obviously... it's running some computer programs. If a node runs ARP, is it a router? > It's for you to indicate what that something > is and why that isn't a routing protocol, despite having some > (agreed, not all) routing functions, and how it will work in a > MANET with wireless links (with the usual non-transitive > properties). I already mentioned several examples. Should I do it again? What about a node running ND? What about a node snooping the airwaves? What about a node running Mobile IP? I've just scratched the surface of examples. In fact I'll even play dirty and keep you in suspense to wait for a new Internet Draft I am co-authoring on this subject. > Otherwise you are asking me to prove a negative, and we know > how easy that is. I'm asking you to accept that a node can beneficially reside in an ad hoc network without being a router. What is negative about that? Unless I completely misunderstand your point of view, this is not in any way asking you to prove a negative. Of course it is possible to prove a negative proposition. But, I have not asked you to do so. Or, what negative proposition do you believe I have postulated for your consideration? If I put "not" in any point of discussion, have I exceeded my boundaries of feasible communication? Regards, Charlie P.
- [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call for … Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Jari Arkko
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Emmanuel Baccelli
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … reshmi r
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … reshmi r
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … reshmi r
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Closing summary on consensus-call … Dearlove, Christopher (UK)