Re: [Autoconf] RFC 5889 (Was: Call for comments to a new AUTOCONF charter proposal)

Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> Fri, 23 July 2010 08:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Autoconf] RFC 5889 (Was: Call for comments to a new AUTOCONF charter proposal)
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Le 23/07/2010 10:05, Henning Rogge a écrit :
> On Fri July 23 2010 10:00:41 Alexandru Petrescu wrote:
>> Could we make an AUTOCONF non-MANET case where the link local
>> addresses are not visible across different wireless links.
>>
>> Otherwise, could we be stating in the Charter that AUTOCONF deals
>> _only_ with MANET cases where link local addresses are visible in
>> all radio ranges, links undefined, no WiFi ESSID nor similar.
>> Which by your definition is 'most MANET cases'.  You mentioned it
>> several times - it deserves being in the Charter.
>>
>> Both ways would help me a lot: in the first I stay in the group,
>> present at meeting.  In the second I go away.
>
> Quote from the charter of the autoconf WG:
>
> The main purpose of the AUTOCONF WG is to describe the addressing
> model for --ad hoc networks-- and how nodes in these networks
> configure their addresses.
>
> "ad hoc networks" is the ANET part of MANET...

To me "specs for ad-hoc networks" is a contradiction in itself.

One would genuinely use the "ad-hoc" term after fact - I couldn't say
"I will build an ad-hoc network" but rather
"I have built an ad-hoc network".

A few famous ad-hoc happenings were actually planned.

And yes - you will quote me wikipedia about what A is in ANET is in MANET.

And yes - I will quote you wikipedia saying how "vehicular ad-hoc
networks" is about vehicles in constant close range, and how MANET is
probably more University Research and VANET is probably more promissing.

For some reason, I like that WiFi don't call themselves "ad-hoc" yet 
it's in widespread use.

Alex

>
> Henning Rogge
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