Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? Support only EUI-64interfaces?
Teco Boot <teco@inf-net.nl> Sat, 31 July 2010 11:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? Support only
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Chris, thanks for sharing your opinion. On using DHCP, the draft charter, workitem 1, specifies usage of DHCPv6. When thinking on how this could work, I want to know what requirements are. Did I catch "un-touched DHCPv6" at the meeting? On RFC 3091 and dupont-ipv6-rfc3041harmful, the recommendations are in RFC 4901. The change on site duplicates for well generated CGA or private IIDs is close to zero. I think duplicate address problems with DHCP servers on CPE devices are far larger than self-generated IIDs because reboots and non-volatile storage or lazy write. Using DHCP provided addresses could provide more efficient compression with RFC 5444. EUI-64 needs 3 (same OUI in homogenous MANET) or 8 octets. CGA or private IIDs needs 8 octets. Centrally managed addresses could result in less, with 1 octet at a minimum. This would be a good reason to use the more centralized approach. Teco. Op 30 jul 2010, om 15:52 heeft Dearlove, Christopher (UK) het volgende geschreven: > Teco >> Question: can we get around a MUST in a standards track RFC? >> I don't think so. > > There is the "don't use that RFC, use another one - or none" > approach. > >> Second question, on first item in charter: do we limit ourself >> to MANET routers that has modified EUI-64 link-locals? > > Definitely not. There are issues with EUI-64. One of these is > privacy/security. If I use a device today, and use the same > device at a different time and in a different place, it's still > clearly identified as the same device. That can be a problem. > > There's a discussion in RFC 3041. That's obsoleted by RFC 4941. > I mention the older version as someone was concered enough to > write draft-dupont-ipv6-rfc3041harmful-05.txt that argued against > RFC 3041 (but never made it to RFC). My point is, there are issues, > and people of goodwill and expertise disagree on the subject. > Probably because of different backgrounds and assumptions. One > size does not fit all. > > -- > Christopher Dearlove > Technology Leader, Communications Group > Networks, Security and Information Systems Department > BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre > West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > Tel: +44 1245 242194 Fax: +44 1245 242124 > > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, > Farnborough Aerospace Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK > Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 > > ******************************************************************** > This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended > recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. > You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or > distribute its contents to any other person. > ******************************************************************** >
- [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? Suppo… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Henning Rogge
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Rogge Henning
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Henning Rogge
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Using DHCPv6 without link-local? S… Joe Macker