Re: [AVTCORE] [MMUSIC] RTP/RTCP-mux: Attribute in answer if not included in offer?

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Wed, 22 June 2016 17:30 UTC

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Roni Even <ron.even.tlv@gmail.com>, 'Suhas Nandakumar' <suhasietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] [MMUSIC] RTP/RTCP-mux: Attribute in answer if not included in offer?
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Hi,

I don’t think one should use a=rtcp to request RTP/RTCP multiplex.

Regards,

Christer


From: Roni Even [mailto:ron.even.tlv@gmail.com]
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Subject: RE: [MMUSIC] [AVTCORE] RTP/RTCP-mux: Attribute in answer if not included in offer?

Hi Christer,
I am not sure I understand you answer. I was wondering if the answerer can ask to receive RTP/RTCP multiplex even if the offer did not include the rtp/rtcp-mux attribute by providing in an
A=rtcp the port of for the RTP stream?
Roni

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Subject: RE: [MMUSIC] [AVTCORE] RTP/RTCP-mux: Attribute in answer if not included in offer?

Hi,

In an offer a=rtcp is used to provide a fallback port, in case the answerer does not support RTP/RTCP-mux (but does support a=rtcp).

Regards,

Christer

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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] [AVTCORE] RTP/RTCP-mux: Attribute in answer if not included in offer?
Hi,
Agree with Suhas but have a question
What if the offer has an a=rtcp with a port different from the RTP one, and the response include a=rtcp using the same port as the RTP port? Is it allowed, at least in RFC3605 did not see any discussion about this

Roni

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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] [AVTCORE] RTP/RTCP-mux: Attribute in answer if not included in offer?

Going along O/A negotiation procedures, i would lean towards your former conclusion that the offer needs to include the rtcp-mux ability.
If the offer doesn't include a=rtcp-mux and the answerer wants to mux , then it needs a new O/A from the answerer's perspectives.


If we make a=rtcp-mux a declarative SDP it might solve the other use-case ..

thanks
Suhas

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com<mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>> wrote:
(Sorry for the cross-posting)

Hi,

There has been a discussion in 3GPP regarding RFC 5761 (RTP/RTCP-mux).

Section 5.1.1 says:

5.1.1.  SDP Signalling

   When the Session Description Protocol (SDP) [8] is used to negotiate
   RTP sessions following the offer/answer model [9], the "a=rtcp-mux"
   attribute (see Section 8) indicates the desire to multiplex RTP and
   RTCP onto a single port.  The initial SDP offer MUST include this
   attribute at the media level to request multiplexing of RTP and RTCP
   on a single port.  For example:

       v=0
       o=csp 1153134164 1153134164 IN IP6 2001:DB8::211:24ff:fea3:7a2e
       s=-
       c=IN IP6 2001:DB8::211:24ff:fea3:7a2e
       t=1153134164 1153137764
       m=audio 49170 RTP/AVP 97
       a=rtpmap:97 iLBC/8000
       a=rtcp-mux

   This offer denotes a unicast voice-over-IP session using the RTP/AVP
   profile with iLBC coding.  The answerer is requested to send both RTP
   and RTCP to port 49170 on IPv6 address 2001:DB8::211:24ff:fea3:7a2e.

   If the answerer wishes to multiplex RTP and RTCP onto a single port,
   it MUST include a media-level "a=rtcp-mux" attribute in the answer.
   The RTP payload types used in the answer MUST conform to the rules in
   Section 4.

   If the answer does not contain an "a=rtcp-mux" attribute, the offerer
   MUST NOT multiplex RTP and RTCP packets on a single port.  Instead,
   it should send and receive RTCP on a port allocated according to the
   usual port-selection rules (either the port pair, or a signalled port
   if the "a=rtcp:" attribute [10] is also included).  This will occur
   when talking to a peer that does not understand the "a=rtcp-mux"
   attribute.

Q: The question is whether it is allowed to include a=rtcp-mux in an answer if the associated offer did NOT contain a=rtcp-mux.

The second last paragraph in the text above does say that, if the answer wishes to do RTP/RTCP-mux, it includes a=rtcp-mux in the answer.

BUT, in my view that is it based on the first paragraph, which assumes a=rtcp-mux is also included in the offer.

Or, am I wrong? Is it allowed to include a=rtcp-mux in the answer, even if it’s not included in the offer? If so, how will the offerer then indicate whether mux is used or not.

Regards,

Christer


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