RE: [AVT] Requirements draft on video control
"Gary Sullivan" <garysull@windows.microsoft.com> Wed, 09 July 2003 06:39 UTC
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Subject: RE: [AVT] Requirements draft on video control
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:03:29 -0700
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From: Gary Sullivan <garysull@windows.microsoft.com>
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Much of the content of this ID will look familiar to those with experience with ITU-T systems control specifications (such as H.245). Some of it seems like it could use a bit of updating in that regard (e.g., videofastupdateGOB). Draft Recommendation H.241 is one good place to look for such information. Section 3 is a bit confused in its terminology. For example it seems to say that intra frames are also known as inter frames, which is definitely not the case. It mixes the terms "predictive" and "prediction" and seems to consider a "reference" frame to be synonymous with an intra frame. The terms "picture" and "frame" are also kind of mixed up. A more consistent terminology would be as follows: An intra picture is a picture that can be decoded without first decoding any other picture. A predicted (or non-intra) picture is a picture that may require data from one or more previously-decoded pictures in order to be properly decoded. A reference picture is a picture that is stored in the decoder for use as a reference in the decoding process of some subsequent picture in the bitstream. A non-reference picture is a picture that is not used as a reference for the decoding process of any other picture in the bitstream. The concepts of intra versus non-Intra and reference versus non-reference are independent. A particular picture can (in general) be any one of the four types (intra reference, non-intra reference, intra non-reference, non-intra non-reference). A "fast update", also known as an "instantaneous decoder refresh", involves sending an intra picture and thereafter refraining from using any picture sent prior to that intra picture as a reference for the decoding process of any subsequent picture sent in the stream. In particular it is worth noting that some concepts that applied to some older codecs are not really valid in general and should be avoided (e.g., that a non-reference picture is called a B picture or that an intra picture is the same thing as a fast update or that an intra picture is always a reference picture). The characterization of a "slice" or "GOB" as being a "stripe" is not really quite right. For example, a single slice in MPEG-1, H.263 Annex O, or MPEG-4 can consist of a few macroblocks at the right edge of one row and a few macroblocks at the left edge of the next row (i.e., two distinct rectangular regions quite far apart from each other in the picture can be in a single slice). A GOB in H.261 CIF consists of THREE partial rows of macroblocks extending only halfway across a picture. And in H.264/AVC, a slice can be ANY collection of macroblocks scattered around absolutely anywhere in the picture (by use of a feature known as a "slice group map"). In regard to section 5.1 VideoFreezePicture, I believe H.262 (also known as MPEG-2 Video) also supports a freeze picture release within the ITU-T extension. It is also possible to obtain random access recovery without a fast update. This is sometimes called "gradual decoder refresh". See for example the recovery point SEI message in H.264/AVC. Best Regards, Gary Sullivan +> -----Original Message----- +> From: avt-admin@ietf.org [mailto:avt-admin@ietf.org] On +> Behalf Of Andrea Basso +> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:34 PM +> To: avt@ietf.org; avt-admin@ietf.org; mmusic@ietf.org +> Cc: casner@acm.org; jo@tzi.uni-bremen.de; +> magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com; csp@csperkins.org; Orit +> Levin; Roni Even; nismail@cisco.com +> Subject: [AVT] Requirements draft on video control +> +> +> Attached you will find draft-basso-avt-videoconreq-00.txt +> +> Abstract: +> +> A variety of communication services such as video +> conferencing and video messaging rely on the capability of video +> encoders and decoders to exchange control commands. This document +> outlines this set of commands as well as the requirements for +> their transport. +> +> Comments are more than welcome. +> +> +> +> +> +> Andrea Basso +> NMS Communications +> (732) 936-2118 +> (See attached file: draft-basso-avt-videoconreq-00.zip) +> _______________________________________________ Audio/Video Transport Working Group avt@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt
- [AVT] Requirements draft on video control Andrea Basso
- RE: [AVT] Requirements draft on video control Gary Sullivan
- RE: [AVT] Requirements draft on video control Even, Roni
- RE: [AVT] Requirements draft on video control Gary Sullivan
- RE: [AVT] Requirements draft on video control Nermeen Ismail
- RE: [AVT] Requirements draft on video control Andrea Basso
- Re: [AVT] Requirements draft on video control Magnus Westerlund