Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-mix-00 Issue 1: transport
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Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-mix-00 Issue 1: transport
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Speaking to one aspect of one point: Gunnar Hellstrom <gunnar.hellstrom@ghaccess.se> writes: > That > means real-time transmission while text is created and accepting some > rare dropouts just as we do with voice and video. However, users are > nowadays used to text messaging where it is customary to accept a delay > and get the text complete in most cases, rather than to have loss. That > user experience might be expected from real-time text as well. I was attending IETF meetings around the time that "real-time text" became an important project, and my understanding is that the deaf/hard-of-hearing community is very insistent on the real-time nature of it, as in seeing the pacing of how the sender is typing characters. In particular, the SIP MESSAGE method, which resembles mobile phone text messages, was considered quite inadequate. The possibility of lost packets was compensated for by the RTP redundancy mechanism. Poking around, I find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_text, which points to the Real Time Text Task Force http://www.realtimetext.org/, which has an FAQ http://www.realtimetext.org/FAQ containing Why is Real-Time Text important to people who are deaf or hard of hearing? In addition to its many applications for fully hearing people, Real-Time Text is important as an equivalent alternative to voice communications for people who are deaf and hard of hearing. It allows a more natural, bi-directional flow of text based conversation to take place compared with the "type-enter-wait-read-response-reply" technology of IM(chat) and SMS. In fact: when Real-Time Text is fully mainstream, it will be solving one of the biggest accessibility problems of Internet communications for people who are deaf or hard of hearing! While searching for that, I found that Verizon has a big page on how to activate RTT on various phone models https://www.verizon.com/about/accessibility/real-time-text Dale
- [AVTCORE] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-pa… internet-drafts
- Re: [AVTCORE] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtcore-mult… Gunnar Hellström
- [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-mix-… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… worley
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Brian Rosen
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Brian Rosen
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Dan Mongrain
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Brian Rosen
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Brian Rosen
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Brian Rosen
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [AVTCORE] draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-party-rtt-… Christer Holmberg