Re: [AVTCORE] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-circuit-breakers-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> Tue, 03 May 2016 12:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-circuit-breakers-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi,

As WG chair and shepherd I want to contribute to the below comment.

Den 2016-05-03 kl. 01:05, skrev Alissa Cooper:
>
>> On May 2, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org> wrote:
>>
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>>> COMMENT:
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>>> (1) Did the WG discuss BCP status for this rather than PS?
>>
>> Not that I recall. Standards track seems more appropriate to me, but BCP would be fine also.
>
> I could see arguments either way. I asked since draft-ietf-tsvwg-circuit-breaker is approved for BCP.


I also don't think we ever discussed having this document in any other 
status than standards track. The goal here was to define an actual 
mechanism that is implementable. Which it also have been, both in 
simulations and in an actual production system. We also know that we 
would have standards track documents reference it, as the source of a 
solution.

If one compare that with the TSVWG circuit breaker document, which is 
all focused on requirements and what is needed in a solution to a 
specific problem or protocol. That type of document is very fitting for 
the BCP status.

Cheers

Magnus Westerlund

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