Re: [AVTCORE] Genart early review of draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-scip-01

"Dan.Hanson@gd-ms.com" <Dan.Hanson@gd-ms.com> Thu, 14 July 2022 19:21 UTC

Return-Path: <Dan.Hanson@gd-ms.com>
X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83746C14F73F; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.106
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.106 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gd-ms.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B6RVtdHO1y6x; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:21:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from vadc01-egs01.gd-ms.com (vadc01-egs01.gd-ms.com [137.100.132.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF901C14F739; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:21:08 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gd-ms.com; i=@gd-ms.com; q=dns/txt; s=esa; t=1657826472; x=1689362472; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=GbWAzfH5GSNG1JwSAVKk1rIL54Ijm/bpH4VTDqA3Uwk=; b=rZM6K3Y2SX04lurTZzr//c2JEp++rZnQVKxj4sM4bpD7J3QNr+Ny5ze0 p8sdkRcZXs9e6xA11aZF+yTSTFj1X1s6pxmejjT0WKWM0fGF56Wo9JGqn WuonPbJYASlBD6ACwrCHtloEW05yqN6naIrTALWf7F3vvdKR4TcT8DoNK lF+MtMcPRC4lSEVGvHf7rP8heE00CqJnUXOFxEQ3gQq/9mukGuQbgANLs 1eycSPGIIlQb7LVglCfqrTr624t2jt1O2UZmu5sQpU9NIC/zpruZZnYL8 duSjw3kfNzcoDa/AuvRvWCIOAYoFatybNJmRg5Qi82/j31kusVqeEli2t A==;
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.92,272,1650945600"; d="scan'208";a="29613519"
Received: from unknown (HELO eadc-e-fmsprd01.eadc-e.gd-ais.com) ([10.96.30.97]) by vadc01-egs01.gd-ms.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2022 15:21:06 -0400
Received: from VADC-MMB03.GD-MS.US (vadc-mmb03.gd-ms.us [10.132.100.63]) by eadc-e-fmsprd01.eadc-e.gd-ais.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1EDFB04FC; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:21:06 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from VADC-MCA02.GD-MS.US (10.132.100.43) by VADC-MMB03.GD-MS.US (10.132.100.63) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.36; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 15:21:05 -0400
Received: from USG02-BN3-obe.outbound.protection.office365.us (137.100.132.86) by VADC-MCA02.GD-MS.US (10.132.100.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.36 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 15:21:05 -0400
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector5401; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=0+qmL4d3P/8HEN8naJLTXLwhirB0LC9YzcXzDgbiYR1FUUcMvOvwBpHtWZlOiIvkFpHEH4XC4pZ1U/jxn0phRfAe0nkEFugzs2mxSBXkCRb6UI8HZhwlls/obozvtrOYbuFTn0d2jgbunhltNvPgZRxJ8tdgyv/3/yBaXhpEpHw/8i5yBEUPaLfjx3u4DFlGpuWKZCEzgyFAEllMZziqxXmQgCn3aq4TEv6WcyybrzwilZP9/ZWZrFESRrc6UYfPCu/rcVk+ffKUXiTVAWeIdF3aiqmF/+oBZai4jCfGAyPwCzLGYmxC6RUpXNQpGn104a+SfIekLidPakw2rv9/PQ==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector5401; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=yRqsY6NkeBZOv4+nkjkQDlwvh8svMFkQLYji4rf4rAA=; b=bCs25haViM0wkOdRMsRV4SXuj5CzicQwOuo9EcfOshLW35IGPrSRJMosyvlDnm2ySlymPZzPBa+7L2YNoNCtuEklgyUTmrvFYAOWjxPsR5x52oJfpUR2aAs0RJMt30wABF0JmrAwSWhOZteQEiaOPnUXjG1486/IA0YkvunQls77ls6VnaFIqJ2Xvi+fCeZvoac6VuweO2lmaXRT7IFU08wsWNzmPJsUcQjFn/Uf635hiJMhZ2rIt+jIRg2PWDE/T6ZUBlN6TYBmU4Au+3k7NEy4wcQMHfihWSTQiFgAAkOhiWQujFiJOGVNfO+mUlIHE8NAN1Q/Xd4dDDui0k9SAQ==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gd-ms.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=gd-ms.com; dkim=pass header.d=gd-ms.com; arc=none
Received: from PH1P110MB1172.NAMP110.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2001:489a:200:189::10) by PH1P110MB1426.NAMP110.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2001:489a:200:18d::8) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.5417.25; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:21:04 +0000
Received: from PH1P110MB1172.NAMP110.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::ddb3:d7ba:72b7:25c1]) by PH1P110MB1172.NAMP110.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::ddb3:d7ba:72b7:25c1%6]) with mapi id 15.20.5417.026; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:21:04 +0000
From: "Dan.Hanson@gd-ms.com" <Dan.Hanson@gd-ms.com>
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, "gen-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org>
CC: "avt@ietf.org" <avt@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-scip.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-scip.all@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: Genart early review of draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-scip-01
Thread-Index: AQHYjF6wCYA6OB6E6E2qTQuFpRwYp61+U9Dw
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:21:04 +0000
Message-ID: <PH1P110MB117214CBA42A993B829A9F3ED5889@PH1P110MB1172.NAMP110.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <165657911797.26995.16593394647908130312@ietfa.amsl.com>
In-Reply-To: <165657911797.26995.16593394647908130312@ietfa.amsl.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
authentication-results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=gd-ms.com;
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 324f3fdb-97e0-40a2-053f-08da65cdfef6
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: PH1P110MB1426:EE_
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:PH1P110MB1172.NAMP110.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(13230016)(366004)(53546011)(66476007)(122000001)(71200400001)(7696005)(6506007)(66946007)(82960400001)(64756008)(66446008)(55016003)(86362001)(5660300002)(76116006)(66556008)(4326008)(8676002)(498600001)(38070700005)(8936002)(83380400001)(2906002)(33656002)(54906003)(110136005)(186003)(52536014)(38100700002)(9686003)(26005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102;
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: 1jtaUb0EV6J8ddoe1lNFywPDxyMXLa+y0YyP9ncV7HHmdifxArOTFCRBv9uApKep/ljrWynxJovbygNxxDKvcE09DgAG5nSgZucluys2tuYa1cnDn0wUYwvJwRs9YyndmLERH/6rBjkUxvL2lmDWuCi3qE6/T4og1ewyBPTijDpGN929OlwDcCqx3bVqlCj2vUa82Xviy+giAPmzzVr0txMxWB/MO1eyF19cnIYaQIS86ab+OHmEr17MX9i6Znr0vbGvVO7/RjVHn7WB0bjj6TpjmL5liV+Srd9FefvWVdKxlMpafNghGYXqeh3vkgtjl1nFiGElyorP/1J3fa5QVh0aBul0n4J5ZVXtGT46wCMIf4H7PX8RBo88SiqPMNxmqyGMTsOykeVDt9GADuXBsbA4cBeTJae4/4Xt+gTysrg=
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: PH1P110MB1172.NAMP110.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 324f3fdb-97e0-40a2-053f-08da65cdfef6
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Jul 2022 19:21:04.6114 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 7c5a26cf-ddf0-400c-9703-4070b4e3a54d
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: PH1P110MB1426
X-OriginatorOrg: gd-ms.com
X-TM-SNTS-SMTP: B1FF8EDDA2062C03AC182CFCFEF8917F6A3933B5C7B88FD73FCBFB782EEC62562000:8
X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis Mail
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/avt/bJWAvY99WfXxKJ-pfqWbOXfJ080>
Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] Genart early review of draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-scip-01
X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance <avt.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/avt>, <mailto:avt-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/avt/>
List-Post: <mailto:avt@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:avt-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt>, <mailto:avt-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:21:16 -0000

Comments below with [DH].

Dan Hanson
General Dynamics Mission Systems

-----Original Message-----
From: Stewart Bryant via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 4:52 AM
To: gen-art@ietf.org
Cc: avt@ietf.org; draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-scip.all@ietf.org
Subject: Genart early review of draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-scip-01

----
External E-mail --- CAUTION: This email originated from outside GDMS. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.

Reviewer: Stewart Bryant
Review result: Ready with Issues

This simple document is adequate to register the media type as is. There are however a few small issues that could usefully be addressed.

The introduction could usefully be expanded to include a couple of sentences on context and a direct reference to the protocols rather than a pointer to the IANA registry from which the reader has to get a pointer to the protocol.
Bringing forward some material from the background to the introduction or merging the two sections would achieve this.

The RFC 2119 language is not the latest version:

      The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL
      NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED",
      "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as
      described in BCP 14 [RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they
      appear in all capitals, as shown here.

[DH] The text will be updated to this latest version.

I am surprised that the nits checker did not bring this up.

In the text SCIP is sometimes capitalised and sometimes in lower case, they clearly mean different things but I could not see any text in the document that clarified the semantics of each variant.

[DH] We will add a sentence in the 1.1 Conventions section to explain the differences between "SCIP" and "scip".

The references SCIP210 and SCIP214 are shown as informational. I assume that as much as anything this is because they are not widely available and strictly you could just treat them as opaque, but given they are fundamental to what you are standardising I would have expected them to be normative.

[DH] The AVTCORE WG determined that SCIP-210 and SCIP-214 should be treated as opaque, therefore they would be informational references.