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From: Tim Bruylants <TBR@intopix.com>
To: John Fletcher <John.Fletcher@bbc.co.uk>, "avt@ietf.org" <avt@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-jpegxs-16.txt
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Hi John,

While I agree, this was discussed before and it was decided to keep the traffic shaping references (some argued in favor). We did however make it a recommended section, and as such it is not normative.

Best regards,
Tim

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From: avt <avt-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of John Fletcher
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Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-jpegxs-16.txt

I realise it is extremely late to comment on this but if there is time to make changes, could I suggest that the section on Traffic Shaping and Delivery Timing is removed (and the reference to it at the end of 8.1)?

The intention of SMPTE ST 2110-21 was not that payload definitions would reference it but that implementations could state that they comply with it.  For example, an implementation could say it uses the JPEG-XS payload as specified in RFC xxxx and compiles with SMPTE ST 2110-21.
Repeating provisions of ST 2110-21 such as the TP parameter is unhelpful because it could lead to a conflict if the parameters in the SMPTE standard are revised.

Thanks,
John Fletcher

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