Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft
Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org> Thu, 04 December 2003 15:01 UTC
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:59:24 +0000
From: Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org>
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Subject: Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft
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José, [cc list trimmed] --> José Rey <rey@panasonic.de> writes: > in the past weeks I had some intensive internal discussions on the matter > of the potential IPRs on the RTP retransmission draft. As a WG > participant I perfectly understand and respect the comments and interests > expressed by you and others of the AVT group. In order to keep the good > working spirit in AVT it is my strong intention to adress these comments > in the best possible way by taking the interests of all parties involved > in this work into account. > > Matsushita has published an IPR statement that it is prepared to grant a > license on reasonable, nondiscriminatory terms and conditions (in > accordance with paragraph 10.3.3 of the RFC 2026) on any part that is > included into the RTP retransmission standard and that Matsushita > possibly holds IPRs on. Providing a royality-free license to open-source > developers will unfortunately lead to a situation where Matsushita will > lose any rights on their IPRs in most cases. Taking into account the work > and effort (we started with the retransmission draft in AVT more than 2.5 > years ago) we spent into this draft, this is not acceptable for > Matsushita. > > On the other hand, we believe that the situation for open-source > developers is quite easy to solve by other means. First of all they are > not in any way'forced' to implement RTP retransmission. It is just an > optional repair mechanism for the RTP protocol, as described in RFC2354. > In order to solve the problems that RTP retransmission tries to solve, > there are other solutions available from the AVT group which are not > encumbered by IPRs, e.g. RFC2733 and draft-ietf-avt-ulp-08.txt. This > makes the implementation of the RTP retransmission solution purely > optional and easily avoidable to everyone. Provided it is clear that the mechanism is encumbered, yes. > In order to make this situation clear to anybody who reads the RTP > retransmission draft, we suggest to add a paragraph at the very beginning > of the draft. This paragraph will make implementors aware of the > situation that the solution described in this draft is possibly > encumbered by IPRs. Furthermore it will point implementors to > non-IPR-encumbered solutions as above, which may perfectly be used > instead of RTP retransmission. Without seeing the wording of this paragraph, I can't give a definitive answer, but that would largely address my concerns. -- Colin Perkins http://csperkins.org/ _______________________________________________ Audio/Video Transport Working Group avt@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt
- Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft Colin Perkins
- [AVT] Retransmission draft Jose Rey
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft Jose Rey
- Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft Colin Perkins
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft Jose Rey
- Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft John Lazzaro
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft Lars-Erik Jonsson (LU/EAB)
- Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft Colin Perkins
- Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft Magnus Westerlund
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft Jose Rey
- Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft Colin Perkins
- [AVT] Re: Retransmission draft John Lazzaro
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft David.Leon
- [AVT] Re: Retransmission draft John Lazzaro
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft José Rey
- Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft Colin Perkins
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft José Rey
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft vsathe@san.rr.com
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft Gamze Seckin
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft Rolf Hakenberg
- Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft Colin Perkins
- Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft Colin Perkins
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft Jose Rey
- Re: [AVT] Retransmission draft Colin Perkins
- RE: [AVT] Retransmission draft Rolf Hakenberg