Re: [babel] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-babel-applicability-07: (with COMMENT)

Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> Tue, 06 August 2019 15:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [babel] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-babel-applicability-07: (with COMMENT)
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>> As far as bug resistence is concerned -- I agree.  This has been weakened
>> in -08 at the prompting of Éric Vyncke, please let me know if you with me
>> to weaken it further.

> Mirja’s suggested formulation is an improvement I think.

Done.

>> As far as the other two properties are concerned (unusual networks and
>> unusual metrics), I must most humbly disagree.  There is a fair body of
>> circumstantial evidence that favours these claims, such as the references
>> [DELAY-BASED], [REAL-WORLD] and [BRIDGING-LAYERS]

> Could you add these citations in the appropriate places in the bulleted
> list of claims?

I've added a forward ref to Section 3 where these papers are duly cited.

-- Juliusz