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Re: [babel] HMAC Key rotation key format (was ripemd)

Markus Stenberg <markus.stenberg@iki.fi> Tue, 04 December 2018 18:33 UTC

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Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr>, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk>, babel-users <babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org>, Babel at IETF <babel@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [babel] HMAC Key rotation key format (was ripemd)
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For interconnected domains and whatever, I would rather just use DTLS with relatively shortlived and auto-renewed certs (real-time revocation is hard to do if you are authenticating routing - chicken 'n' egg problem; one alternative is of course some sort of manual blacklisting if you want to go with long-lived certs).  

If HNCP is in picture, DNCP trust based consensus model is also an option - with it, (self-signed) certificates can have long lifetime as their usefulness is determined by consensus of nodes -> as long as there's only few compromised nodes, you can blacklist them in real time if you control the rest of the nodes.

Cheers,

-Markus

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