Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by default
Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> Thu, 26 November 2020 10:26 UTC
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Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> writes: >> This does raise one question, though (as I just found out while >> implementing the option for a 128-bit version): How does this impact the >> recommendations for key size? > > I suggest that they remain the same (SHOULD be 32 bytes). > > The digest size impacts the overhead carried by every packet. Not so the > key size: increasing the key size is essentially free. As a matter of > fact, Blake2s will pad the key with zeroes before it is used. > > Thus: > > - allowing shorter keys gains no generality (the user may achieve the > same result by padding with zeroes before passing the key to Blake2s); > > - disallowing shorter keys causes confusion (by using a value different > from both HMAC-SHA-256 and the Blake2s maximum), and has no measurable > benefits. > > I do not believe that it impacts the security in any way (2^128 ns is > roughly 10^12 times the age of the universe), but I could be wrong. Yeah, makes sense, let's keep it at 32 bytes :) -Toke
- [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by default Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… David Schinazi
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Antonin Décimo
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… David Schinazi
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Gabriel Kerneis
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Valery Smyslov
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Antonin Décimo
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [babel] Babel-MAC: Blake2s is 128-bits by def… Juliusz Chroboczek