Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations
Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com> Fri, 29 March 2019 13:13 UTC
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From: Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com>
To: Gregory Dalle <gdalle@juniper.net>
CC: David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>, "bcause@ietf.org" <bcause@ietf.org>, "trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch" <trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch>
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Subject: Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations
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Hi Greg, You are keep confusing the IETF with the terms that have different meanings in BBF. Could you please clarify what is called protocol definition, what is call protocol design, what is called protocol specify in the context of BBF? I remembered the word of "specify" was proposed, which result in quite a lot discussions. Because ”specify” in IETF has very clear meaning. But in BBF, the "specify" equal to "reference". Best regards, Mach 发件人:Gregory Dalle <gdalle@juniper.net> 收件人:Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com> 抄 送:David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>;bcause@ietf.org <bcause@ietf.org>;trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch <trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch> 时间:2019-03-29 13:31:02 主 题:Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations Mach, Current issue of WT-459 is posted. Have a look at the scope section. Protocol definition is in scope, protocol design is not in scope. Nothing new. Feel free to unicast me if you are still confused. Greg On Mar 29, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com<mailto:mach.chen@huawei.com>> wrote: Hi Greg, Let's put FMC, WT-458, aside, since it is not in the scope. As for DBNG,WT-459, AFAIK, it just focuses on architecture, requirements, use cases. CUPS protocol definition for BNG is not in the scope. Let's do not confuse the situation again and again. Best regards, Mach 发件人:Gregory Dalle <gdalle@juniper.net<mailto:gdalle@juniper.net>> 收件人:Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com<mailto:mach.chen@huawei.com>> 抄 送:David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>>;bcause@ietf.org<mailto:bcause@ietf.org> <bcause@ietf.org<mailto:bcause@ietf.org>>;trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch<mailto:trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch<mailto:trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch>> 时间:2019-03-29 12:22:46 主 题:Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations Mach, it would overlap. BBF is addressing CUPS both for BNG (WT-459) and CUPS for FMC (WT-458), as described in liaisons. Greg On Mar 29, 2019, at 6:09 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com<mailto:mach.chen@huawei.com>> wrote: I think your statement is not true, there is no overlap . As one of the proponents, I am sure that the CUSP is only targeting to address CMCC's fixed BNG CUPS requirements. Best regards, Mach 发件人:David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>> 收件人:bcause@ietf.org<mailto:bcause@ietf.org> <bcause@ietf.org<mailto:bcause@ietf.org>> 抄 送:trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch<mailto:trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch<mailto:trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch>> 时间:2019-03-29 10:40:16 主 题:[bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations (IETF Liaison Manager to BBF hat on) The statements on this list, especially those to the effect that CUSP work in the IETF would not exclude FMC, indicate that there is high potential (and intent?) that both the BBF and the IETF would be working on two competing solutions, i.e., two different solutions competing for the same problem. The two organizations pursuing competing solutions creates an inherent strain on the inter SDO relationship, that to this point has been coordinated, cooperative and cordial. Further, given the indications in the liaisons from BBF that they intend to work cooperatively with 3GPP, should they decide to pursue PFCP as a solution, would then potentially put IETF in competition with 3GPP as well. Introducing this inter-SDO strain has potential impacts beyond this immediate bcause issue to other work between the organizations. I would ask the participants and ADs to please consider these potential issues in your deliberations. Thank-you, Dave -- bcause mailing list bcause@ietf.org<mailto:bcause@ietf.org> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bcause&d=DwICAg&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=VhX0NAIO1d7yQxdURKFPY59GAxttnQcfkn45tfRnREs&m=JC3Qb6i8mCuJ1qoJ8V-GimcEg54-mMyrB33kAH77u5s&s=rParcq-0T3mErgJ0LkEVsN2Re1I49f7UqUi1l9dvxnU&e=
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- [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations David Sinicrope
- Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations Mach Chen
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- Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations Greg Mirsky
- Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)
- Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations Gregory Dalle
- Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations Mach Chen
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- Re: [bcause] Barbara's view (was Re: to wait or n… Gregory Dalle
- Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations Gregory Dalle
- Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations Mach Chen
- Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations Gregory Dalle
- Re: [bcause] Inter SDO relationship considerations Wan, Kenneth (Nokia - CA/Markham)
- Re: [bcause] Barbara's view (was Re: to wait or n… Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)
- Re: [bcause] Barbara's view (was Re: to wait or n… Gregory Dalle
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- Re: [bcause] Barbara's view (was Re: to wait or n… Greg Mirsky
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