Re: [BEHAVE] Closing the mailing list

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Mon, 13 January 2020 10:02 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Rob Evans <rhe@nosc.ja.net>
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Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] Closing the mailing list
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On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 09:33:46AM +0000, Rob Evans wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > How would i figure out the redirect of "Ask BEHAVE questions on TSVWG
> > mailing list" ?
> > 
> > Ai am not aware of any actual redirect pointers in datatracker, but
> > hopefully i am wrong.
> 
> If a WG has closed, then I suppose the redirect could come from asking a
> question on ietf@ietf?

Sure, if thats the agreed rediret resolution mechansism, it would be
good if that information was stated in a sentence on the WG weg page,
eg.: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/behave/about/

But if there is so little email to a closed WG mailing list, why not
add ietf@ietf.org to the mailing list anyhow so that the request gets
forwarded automatically ? Its not as if ietf@ietf.org would have
less spam problems anyhow.

> IME, it's not the bits on the server in the bowels of the IETF, mailing
> lists collect entropy quickly -- a list I manage has just had it's first
> posting for probably about a year, and there are 14 bounces that need to be
> culled.

Yes, culling of dead addresses is an astoundly rarely automated part of
mailing list maintenance.

Just change the mailing list to return errors to sender instead of
mailing list administrator when it changes into maintenance mode
(WG closed + N years).

> At which point have enough subscribers changed email address that the list
> is no longer useful, and how do you monitor that?

Yes. Technically the best idea to me would be to remove membership
from the mailing list, redirect it to ietf@ietf.org, but as part of
redirect make sure that the subject is prepended with a well-known
prefix like "[WGNAME]: ", so that folk interested in that (historic)
topic would be able to easily filter for it and not have to continuosly
track all of ietf@ietf.org. Instead of ietf@ietf.org one could of course
also set up a separate list like concluded-wg@ietf.org.

Cheers
    Toerless

> 
> Cheers,
> Rob
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