Re: [BEHAVE] proprietary implementation v.s standardised protocols //re: draft-xu-behave-nat-state-sync-00

Reinaldo Penno <rpenno@juniper.net> Thu, 26 November 2009 05:32 UTC

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From: Reinaldo Penno <rpenno@juniper.net>
To: Simon Perreault <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca>, "behave@ietf.org" <behave@ietf.org>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:32:03 -0500
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On 11/25/09 3:24 PM, "Simon Perreault" <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> wrote:

> On 11/25/2009 12:57 PM, Reinaldo Penno wrote:
>> If the boxes are from different vendors or even different platforms from the
>> same vendor, how to deal with issues such as different memory footprint for
>> NAT state, different NAT implementations, different processor speeds, etc?
>> 
>> Most NAT redundancy schemes are 1+1 because the implementation specific
>> issues above preclude a heterogeneous solution.
> 
> I guess the point is that NAT64 is precise enough that a standard state
> sync protocol is possible.

The proposed protocol as it stands today covers NAT44 as well since NAT44 is
used in a few transition scenarios (DS-Lite and NAT444). And I think that is
why it has some potential.

Having said that, there will always be variation in implementation and the
protocol needs to cater for that by allowing extensions.

> 
> Compare with NAT44, which was never standardized.

Hummm....I would say the original BEHAVE RFCs made great strides in
standardizing NAT44. At this point I would argue the other way around - that
NAT44 behavior is more mature and well-known than NAT64.


> 
> Simon