Re: [BEHAVE] RFC6147 and RFC7208 interoperability issues

marcelo bagnulo braun <marcelo@it.uc3m.es> Thu, 10 February 2022 07:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] RFC6147 and RFC7208 interoperability issues
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El 7/2/22 a las 19:03, Christian Huitema escribió:
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> On 2/6/2022 10:34 PM, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote:
>> El 7/2/22 a las 3:48, Klaus Frank escribió:
>>> The DNS64 server could be this secure DNS.
>>
>> This would consistent with the deployment scenario presented in 
>> section 7.1 of RFC6147. 
>
>
> Maybe. But the situation has changed since April 2011. ISPs cannot any 
> more assume that all hosts will be using the resolver embedded in the 
> NAT64 gateway -- some hosts, or some applications, may very well use 
> some alternate encrypted DNS service, e.g., using DoH and connect to 
> Quad9, Cloudflare or Google. The cases describe in section 6 of 
> RFC6147 are going to be more and more frequent. We should make them 
> work, and we should tell application developers about that.
>
DNS64 doesnt have to be collocated withthe NAT64 box.

The scenario 7.1 still holds in case the user is using an external 
reoslver, such as cloudflare. The thing is that the external resolver 
must then implement the DNS64.

This works fine as long as the WKP is used.


Regards, marcelo




> -- Christian Huitema
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