Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports?
"Reinaldo Penno (repenno)" <repenno@cisco.com> Wed, 05 June 2013 19:39 UTC
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From: "Reinaldo Penno (repenno)" <repenno@cisco.com>
To: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, "v6ops@ietf.org" <v6ops@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports?
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There are some interesting measurements on this "background TCP radiation", i.e., how much state (and bandwidth) a home consumes even when there is no active use. On 6/5/13 3:57 PM, "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote: >> >If one is doing CGN, wouldn't it be reasonable to point customers' at a >> >recursive DNS server with an interface inside the CGN? >> >> Yes. That's what I suggest. But some people use, say, Google's >> DNS/OpenDns/etc and in some other cases the network is not setup >> correctly. > >And in some cases, it is not possible depending on where the NAT function >is placed and where the DNS server is placed. I recently ran into this in >a large mobile network design. > >Nonetheless, it is desired, but it is not really a big deal, since UDP >NAT usage tends to be a lot less than that TCP NAT usage (barring few >exceptions). > >> >This seems to also suggest that having a *caching* recursive DNS(SEC, >> >HOMENET+, mDNS+) server inside the customer router is also a big win. >> >> Yes, it is. > >Well, DNS resolver with or without proxy is a big win, I would say. > > >Cheers, >Rajiv > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Reinaldo Penno (repenno) >> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:28 PM >> To: Michael Richardson; v6ops@ietf.org >> Cc: Poscic, Kristian (Kristian); Rajiv Asati (rajiva); Softwires-wg list >> (softwires@ietf.org); behave@ietf.org; Erik Kline (ek@google.com) >> Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? >> >> >> >> On 6/5/13 1:23 PM, "Michael Richardson" <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>> "repenno" == repenno <Reinaldo> writes: >> > repenno> On the other hand, as Rajiv captured,the number of >> > repenno> UDP sessions can be much larger than the number of >> > repenno> TCP. Because the way >> > repenno> dynamic webpages are constructed today, there are >> sometimes >> > repenno> literally 100s >> > repenno> of DNS requests to download a single page. >> > >> >If one is doing CGN, wouldn't it be reasonable to point customers' at a >> >recursive DNS server with an interface inside the CGN? >> >> Yes. That's what I suggest. But some people use, say, Google's >> DNS/OpenDns/etc and in some other cases the network is not setup >> correctly. >> >> > >> >This seems to also suggest that having a *caching* recursive DNS(SEC, >> >HOMENET+, mDNS+) server inside the customer router is also a big win. >> >> Yes, it is. >> >> > >> >-- >> >] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh >> >networks [ >> >] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network >> >architect [ >> >] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on >>rails >> > [ >> > >
- [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Poscic, Kristian (Kristian)
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Michael Richardson
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Reinaldo Penno (repenno)
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Michael Richardson
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Reinaldo Penno (repenno)
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? kaname nishizuka
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Reinaldo Penno (repenno)
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Reinaldo Penno (repenno)
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Simon Perreault
- Re: [BEHAVE] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
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- Re: [BEHAVE] [v6ops] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Branimir Rajtar
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- Re: [BEHAVE] [v6ops] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Poscic, Kristian (Kristian)
- Re: [BEHAVE] [v6ops] Home NAPT44 - How many ports? Reinaldo Penno (repenno)
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