Re: [BEHAVE] TCP port overloading, preservation and CGNs

Simon Perreault <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> Wed, 26 June 2013 08:15 UTC

Return-Path: <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca>
X-Original-To: behave@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: behave@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C775821F8904 for <behave@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AL1FVnSaA5qa for <behave@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EFA21E8064 for <behave@ietf.org>; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:15:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (h228.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.228]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B947D4043D; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 04:15:31 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <51CAA325.8080201@viagenie.ca>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 10:15:33 +0200
From: Simon Perreault <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: ivan@cacaoweb.org
References: <CB1B483277FEC94E9B58357040EE5D02325AA8EE@xmb-rcd-x15.cisco.com> <9637befefe07c43417c758a004e03f3c@cacaoweb.org> <51C4053D.5050703@viagenie.ca> <b863f14098e41ecbb3fe4ca56641d053@cacaoweb.org>
In-Reply-To: <b863f14098e41ecbb3fe4ca56641d053@cacaoweb.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Cc: Behave <behave@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] TCP port overloading, preservation and CGNs
X-BeenThere: behave@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: mailing list of BEHAVE IETF WG <behave.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/behave>, <mailto:behave-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/behave>
List-Post: <mailto:behave@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:behave-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/behave>, <mailto:behave-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 08:15:40 -0000

Le 2013-06-25 19:20, ivan c a écrit :
>> Some NATs don't implement EDM and thus cannot switch to it.
>>
>
> By definition, all NATs are "EDM".

Please explain.

> "Endpoint-dependent Mapping" really means "Address and port-dependent
> Mapping". This is the most general case of NAT, where no requirement is
> made on the type of mapping. For instance, "EIM" is a particular case of
> this general case.

I don't understand how this could be true.

> Maybe we should use the term APDM instead of EDM for the sake of clarity,
> but the best is probably to avoid using the "EDM" acronym altogether if it
> leads to confusion.

EDM is defined in RFC 6887. Let's keep using already-defined terminology 
if it fits.

> Instead, we can use the term "no particular
> requirement
> on the mapping scheme" or something similar. This way, people new to the
> discussion can understand the point immediately and we also avoid the use
> of new obscure acronyms.

EIM and EDM are not requirements. They are qualifiers of NAT behaviour.

> Again, the goal here should be to suggest options for NAT to behave in p2p
> friendly ways. Some useful optional features for CGNs, like port
> overloading, do have minor caveats that should be detailed in the
> document,
> and they also don't apply to "3-tuple" NATs as you mentioned.
> This is the best way in my opinion to write a Best Current Practices
> document.

I would simply like to first understand technically what you're proposing.

Simon