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Hi Sasha,

I'll check with the secretariat if there are prior experiences on this type=
 of errata (impacting several parts of the text) and will get back to you.

G/


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Subject: [bess] Re: [EXTERNAL] [Errata Rejected] RFC9135 (9000)


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Gunter,

Lots of thanks for your detailed review of the Erratum and explanation of r=
easons for rejecting it in spite of acknowledging the problem that has trig=
gered its submission.



I agree that the proposed correction, as written, contradict the last para =
of Section 9.1.1 of RFC 9135<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9135#=
section-9.1.1> that says (the relevant text is highlighted):



If the receiving NVE receives an EVPN RT-2 with only label1 and only a sing=
le Route Target corresponding to IP-VRF; an EVPN RT-2 with only a single Ro=
ute Target corresponding to MAC-VRF but with both label1 and label2; or an =
EVPN RT-2 with a MAC address length of zero, then it MUST use the treat-as-=
withdraw approach [RFC7606<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7606>] =
and SHOULD log an error message.

The correction should either make an exception for IPv6 link-local address =
in the marked or should make an exception for inclusion of Label2 field for=
 these addresses in Section 5.1.



I am not sure that an Erratum that, one way or another, affects multiple te=
xt fragments of the RFC, is the best way to handle the problem.



If you think that submitting a modified Erratum addressing the contradictio=
n mentioned above would help, I can do that.



Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,

Sasha



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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Errata Rejected] RFC9135 (9000)



The following errata report has been rejected for RFC9135,
"Integrated Routing and Bridging in Ethernet VPN (EVPN)"

--------------------------------------
You may review the report below and at:
https://errata.rfc-editor.org/eid9000/<https://errata.rfc-editor.org/eid900=
0>

--------------------------------------

Status: Rejected
Type: Technical
Reported by: Alexander ("Sasha") Vainshtein <alexander.vainshtein@rbbn.com<=
mailto:alexander.vainshtein@rbbn.com>>
Date Reported: June 10, 2026, 1:57 p.m.
Rejected by: Gunter Van de Velde (IESG)

Section 5.1 and 5.2 says:

Original Text
-------------
In Section 5.1:
This route MUST be advertised with two Route Targets, one corresponding to =
the MAC-VRF of the tenant's subnet
and another corresponding to the tenant's IP-VRF.

In Section 5.2:
When a PE (e.g., PE2 in Figure 4 above) receives this EVPN MAC/IP Advertise=
ment route, it performs the following:

The MAC-VRF Route Target and Ethernet Tag, if the latter is non-zero, are u=
sed to identify the correct MAC-VRF and bridge table,
and if they are found, the MAC address is imported.
The IP-VRF Route Target is used to identify the correct IP-VRF, and if it i=
s found, the IP address is imported.

Corrected Text
--------------
In Section 5,1:
This route MUST be advertised with two Route Targets, one corresponding to =
the MAC-VRF of the tenant's subnet and another corresponding to the tenant'=
s IP-VRF.
The Route Targets corresponding to the tenants IP-VRF SHOULD be omitted if =
the IP address the NLRI of teh route is a link-local IPv6 address.

In Section 5.2:
When a PE (e.g., PE2 in Figure 4 above) receives this EVPN MAC/IP Advertise=
ment route, it performs the following:

The MAC-VRF Route Target and Ethernet Tag, if the latter is non-zero, are u=
sed to identify the correct MAC-VRF and bridge table,
and if they are found, the MAC address is imported.
If the IP address in the NLRI of the route is not an IPv6 link-local addres=
s, the IP-VRF Route Target is used to identify the correct IP-VRF, and if i=
t is found, the IP address is imported.

Notes
-----
Claim by submitter
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
As per Section 2.5.6 of RFC 4291, "Routers must not forward any packets wit=
h Link-Local source or destination addresses to other links".

Therefore, these addresses MUST NOT be in the IP-VRF in ingress PE, and the=
re is no need to attach Route Targets of the IP-VRF in the egress PE becaus=
e they are used solely for identification of the importing IP-VRF in the in=
gress PE.

AD Review
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
I agree with the underlying observation that an IPv6 link-local address mus=
t not become an inter-subnet forwarding route. However, I do not think the =
proposed correction can be verified as written.

RFC 4291 prohibits forwarding packets with link-local source or destination=
 addresses to another link, but this does not mean that link-local addresse=
s cannot appear as interface- or zone-scoped state within an IP-VRF.

More importantly, the proposed correction conflicts with RFC 9135 itself. S=
ection 4.2 uses the presence of both Label2 and an IP-VRF Route Target to i=
dentify symmetric IRB. Section 9.1.1 also says that an RT-2 carrying both L=
abel1 and Label2 but only a MAC-VRF Route Target MUST be treated as withdra=
wn. Omitting only the IP-VRF Route Target would therefore cause compliant r=
eceivers to discard the route.

There may be a valid clarification or protocol update here: a link-local MA=
C/IP binding could perhaps be advertised only for MAC-VRF and Proxy-ND purp=
oses, without Label2 or IP-VRF import. However, that would require coordina=
ted changes to several sections and discussion in BESS.

I therefore recommend rejecting this erratum as written and taking the unde=
rlying IPv6 link-local handling question to the BESS working group.

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RFC9135 (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding)
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Title : Integrated Routing and Bridging in Ethernet VPN (EVPN)
Publication Date : October 2021
Author(s) : A. Sajassi, S. Salam, S. Thoria, J. Drake, J. Rabadan
Category : Proposed Standard
Source : bess (rtg)
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<b>From:</b> Alexander Vainshtein &lt;Alexander.Vainshtein=3D40rbbn.com@dma=
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 19, 2026 5:15 PM<br>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">Gunter,</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">Lots of thanks for your detailed review of=
 the Erratum and explanation of reasons for rejecting it in spite of acknow=
ledging the problem that has triggered
 its submission.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">I agree that the proposed correction, as w=
ritten, contradict the last para
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9135#section-9.1.1" id=
=3D"OWAacef0fa3-8243-ffd7-1d34-f9e440aa4f1e" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" data-aut=
h=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">
of Section 9.1.1 of RFC 9135</a> that says (the relevant text is </span><sp=
an class=3D"spanWithBackgroundColor" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; background-c=
olor: yellow;">highlighted</span><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">):</span>=
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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argin-left: 36pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-size: 10pt; color=
: rgb(33, 37, 41);">If the receiving NVE receives an EVPN RT-2 with only la=
bel1 and only a single Route Target corresponding to IP-VRF;
</span><span class=3D"spanWithBackgroundColor" style=3D"font-family: &quot;=
Courier New&quot;; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(33, 37, 41); background-colo=
r: yellow;">an EVPN RT-2 with only a single Route Target corresponding to M=
AC-VRF but with both label1 and label2</span><span style=3D"font-family: &q=
uot;Courier New&quot;; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(33, 37, 41);">;
 or an EVPN RT-2 with a MAC address length of zero, then it <b>MUST</b>&nbs=
p;use the treat-as-withdraw approach&nbsp;[</span><span style=3D"font-famil=
y: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(13, 110, 253);"><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7606" id=3D"OWA89da03bf-a6=
ba-7370-7ce9-5e4ff6510666" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable=
" style=3D"color: rgb(13, 110, 253); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">=
RFC7606</a></span><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font=
-size: 10pt; color: rgb(33, 37, 41);">]&nbsp;and
<b>SHOULD</b>&nbsp;log an error message.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">The correction should either make an excep=
tion for IPv6 link-local address in the
</span><span class=3D"spanWithBackgroundColor" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; ba=
ckground-color: yellow;">marked</span><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"> or =
should make an exception for inclusion of Label2 field for these addresses =
in Section 5.1.</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">I am not sure that an Erratum that, one wa=
y or another, affects multiple text fragments of the RFC, is the best way t=
o handle the problem.</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">If you think that submitting a modified Er=
ratum addressing the contradiction mentioned above would help, I can do tha=
t.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,</s=
pan></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">Sasha</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:=
</b> rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org &lt;rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 18, 2026 1:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> sthoria@cisco.com; Alexander Vainshtein &lt;Alexander.Vainshtein=
@rbbn.com&gt;; jdrake@juniper.net; jorge.rabadan@nokia.com; ssalam@cisco.co=
m; sajassi@gmail.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; bess@ietf.org; gunter@vandevelde.cc; =
iana@iana.org; iesg@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [Errata Rejected] RFC9135 (9000)</span></p>
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The following errata report has been rejected for RFC9135,<br>
&quot;Integrated Routing and Bridging in Ethernet VPN (EVPN)&quot;<br>
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You may review the report below and at:<br>
<a href=3D"https://errata.rfc-editor.org/eid9000" id=3D"OWAf2f3fd21-27dd-11=
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id9000/</a><br>
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Status: Rejected<br>
Type: Technical<br>
Reported by: Alexander (&quot;Sasha&quot;) Vainshtein &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:alexander.vainshtein@rbbn.com" id=3D"OWA3a4212f1-3392-b91b-f9ed-7a7c6a1b52=
3a" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">al=
exander.vainshtein@rbbn.com</a>&gt;<br>
Date Reported: June 10, 2026, 1:57 p.m.<br>
Rejected by: Gunter Van de Velde (IESG)<br>
<br>
Section 5.1 and 5.2 says:<br>
<br>
Original Text<br>
-------------<br>
In Section 5.1:<br>
This route MUST be advertised with two Route Targets, one corresponding to =
the MAC-VRF of the tenant's subnet<br>
and another corresponding to the tenant's IP-VRF.<br>
<br>
In Section 5.2:<br>
When a PE (e.g., PE2 in Figure 4 above) receives this EVPN MAC/IP Advertise=
ment route, it performs the following:<br>
<br>
The MAC-VRF Route Target and Ethernet Tag, if the latter is non-zero, are u=
sed to identify the correct MAC-VRF and bridge table,<br>
and if they are found, the MAC address is imported.<br>
The IP-VRF Route Target is used to identify the correct IP-VRF, and if it i=
s found, the IP address is imported.<br>
<br>
Corrected Text<br>
--------------<br>
In Section 5,1:<br>
This route MUST be advertised with two Route Targets, one corresponding to =
the MAC-VRF of the tenant's subnet and another corresponding to the tenant'=
s IP-VRF.<br>
The Route Targets corresponding to the tenants IP-VRF SHOULD be omitted if =
the IP address the NLRI of teh route is a link-local IPv6 address.<br>
<br>
In Section 5.2:<br>
When a PE (e.g., PE2 in Figure 4 above) receives this EVPN MAC/IP Advertise=
ment route, it performs the following:<br>
<br>
The MAC-VRF Route Target and Ethernet Tag, if the latter is non-zero, are u=
sed to identify the correct MAC-VRF and bridge table,<br>
and if they are found, the MAC address is imported.<br>
If the IP address in the NLRI of the route is not an IPv6 link-local addres=
s, the IP-VRF Route Target is used to identify the correct IP-VRF, and if i=
t is found, the IP address is imported.<br>
<br>
Notes<br>
-----<br>
Claim by submitter<br>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
As per Section 2.5.6 of RFC 4291, &quot;Routers must not forward any packet=
s with Link-Local source or destination addresses to other links&quot;.<br>
<br>
Therefore, these addresses MUST NOT be in the IP-VRF in ingress PE, and the=
re is no need to attach Route Targets of the IP-VRF in the egress PE becaus=
e they are used solely for identification of the importing IP-VRF in the in=
gress PE.<br>
<br>
AD Review<br>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
I agree with the underlying observation that an IPv6 link-local address mus=
t not become an inter-subnet forwarding route. However, I do not think the =
proposed correction can be verified as written.<br>
<br>
RFC 4291 prohibits forwarding packets with link-local source or destination=
 addresses to another link, but this does not mean that link-local addresse=
s cannot appear as interface- or zone-scoped state within an IP-VRF.<br>
<br>
More importantly, the proposed correction conflicts with RFC 9135 itself. S=
ection 4.2 uses the presence of both Label2 and an IP-VRF Route Target to i=
dentify symmetric IRB. Section 9.1.1 also says that an RT-2 carrying both L=
abel1 and Label2 but only a MAC-VRF
 Route Target MUST be treated as withdrawn. Omitting only the IP-VRF Route =
Target would therefore cause compliant receivers to discard the route.<br>
<br>
There may be a valid clarification or protocol update here: a link-local MA=
C/IP binding could perhaps be advertised only for MAC-VRF and Proxy-ND purp=
oses, without Label2 or IP-VRF import. However, that would require coordina=
ted changes to several sections
 and discussion in BESS.<br>
<br>
I therefore recommend rejecting this erratum as written and taking the unde=
rlying IPv6 link-local handling question to the BESS working group.<br>
<br>
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RFC9135 (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding)<br>
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Title : Integrated Routing and Bridging in Ethernet VPN (EVPN)<br>
Publication Date : October 2021<br>
Author(s) : A. Sajassi, S. Salam, S. Thoria, J. Drake, J. Rabadan<br>
Category : Proposed Standard<br>
Source : bess (rtg)<br>
Stream : IETF</p>
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