Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-websocket-08.txt
"Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com> Tue, 14 June 2016 15:38 UTC
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From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com>
To: "Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)" <rmohanr@cisco.com>, "bfcpbis@ietf.org" <bfcpbis@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-websocket-08.txt
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Hi Ram, The changes look good. However, upon reviewing sections 6.1 and 6.2, I think they need some work. Most importantly, I believe the reference in section 6.2 to section 7 of rfc4582bis is incorrect. Section 7 deals with lower layer transport security. It would be better to reference section 3 and/or section 8.1 of rfc4583bis. I also suggest combining sections sections 6.1 and 6.2 and renaming, e.g. OLD: 6.1. Extensions to RFC4583bis OLD: 6.2. Extensions to RFC4582bis NEW: 6.1. Transport Negotiation Thoughts? Charles On 6/10/16, 10:42 PM, "bfcpbis on behalf of Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)" <bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rmohanr@cisco.com> wrote: >I just published a new revision addressing the comments below. Here is the >diff. > >https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-websocket-09 > > >Regards, >Ram > >-----Original Message----- >From: bfcpbis <bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Cisco Employee ><rmohanr@cisco.com> >Date: Wednesday, 8 June 2016 at 10:14 AM >To: Victor Pascual <victor.pascual.avila@gmail.com>, "Gonzalo Salgueiro >(gsalguei)" <gsalguei@cisco.com> >Cc: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" <bfcpbis@ietf.org>, "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" ><eckelcu@cisco.com>, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> >Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-websocket-08.txt > >>Works for me as well. >> >>Thanks, >>Ram >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: bfcpbis <bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Victor Pascual >><victor.pascual.avila@gmail.com> >>Date: Tuesday, 7 June 2016 at 11:46 PM >>To: "Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)" <gsalguei@cisco.com> >>Cc: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" <bfcpbis@ietf.org>, "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" >><eckelcu@cisco.com>, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> >>Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: >>draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-websocket-08.txt >> >>>Fine with me >>> >>>> On 07 Jun 2016, at 20:12, Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei) >>>><gsalguei@cisco.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I¹m OK with that approach. I also agree that they are entirely too >>>>different in purpose to try and merge them. >>>> >>>> -G >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) >>>>><eckelcu@cisco.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> (As an individual) >>>>> >>>>> Good question. I agree it seems a bit strange. But my thinking is that >>>>>our use of ³Updates² may not be appropriate. I view RFC 4582 and RFC >>>>>4583 as defining BFCP over TCP and over UDP. This draft takes BFCP over >>>>>TCP and defines how to encapsulate it within a WebSocket and how to >>>>>negotiate that encapsulation. So I think these drafts are related but >>>>>separate, and that we should remove the ³Updates² label and simply have >>>>>RFC4582bis and RFC4583bis as normative references (as they already >>>>>are). Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Charles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/1/16, 7:14 AM, "bfcpbis on behalf of Paul Kyzivat" >>>>>><bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a question. >>>>>> >>>>>>> This document updates RFC4582bis and RFC4583bis. >>>>>> >>>>>> Those documents are *drafts*. Does it really make sense to handle the >>>>>> changes this way? I guess that means that this document will need to >>>>>>be >>>>>> held until they become RFCs, and then it can update them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wouldn't it make more sense to simply make the changes in those >>>>>>drafts >>>>>> now, before they become RFCs? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Paul >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/1/16 2:51 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>>>>>>directories. >>>>>>> This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis >>>>>>>of the IETF. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Title : The WebSocket Protocol as a Transport for >>>>>>>the Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) >>>>>>> Authors : Victor Pascual >>>>>>> Antón Román >>>>>>> Stéphane Cazeaux >>>>>>> Gonzalo Salgueiro >>>>>>> Ram Mohan Ravindranath >>>>>>> Sergio Garcia Murillo >>>>>>> Filename : draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-websocket-08.txt >>>>>>> Pages : 13 >>>>>>> Date : 2016-05-31 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Abstract: >>>>>>> The WebSocket protocol enables two-way realtime communication >>>>>>>between >>>>>>> clients and servers. This document specifies a new WebSocket sub- >>>>>>> protocol as a reliable transport mechanism between Binary Floor >>>>>>> Control Protocol (BFCP) entities to enable usage of BFCP in new >>>>>>> scenarios. This document updates RFC4582bis and RFC4583bis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-websocket/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's also a htmlized version available at: >>>>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-websocket-08 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-websocket-0 >>>>>>>8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>>>>>>submission >>>>>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>>>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> bfcpbis mailing list >>>>>>> bfcpbis@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> bfcpbis mailing list >>>>>> bfcpbis@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> bfcpbis mailing list >>>>> bfcpbis@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> bfcpbis mailing list >>>> bfcpbis@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>bfcpbis mailing list >>>bfcpbis@ietf.org >>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis >> >>_______________________________________________ >>bfcpbis mailing list >>bfcpbis@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis > >_______________________________________________ >bfcpbis mailing list >bfcpbis@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis
- [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-web… internet-drafts
- Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)
- Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp… Victor Pascual
- Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)
- Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)