Re: [bfcpbis] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi Ram, > On 30 Jan 2017, at 05:30, Ram Mohan R (rmohanr) <rmohanr@cisco.com> wrote: > > Hi Alexey/all, > > Please find the diffs with the changes to use single attribute. This diff also has other comments from Ben, Kathleen incorporated. This looks much better, thank you! You have introduced a typo in one place (search for "wwebsocket"). Best Regards, Alexey > Regards, > Ram > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)" <rmohanr@cisco.com> > Date: Thursday, 19 January 2017 at 9:30 AM > To: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> > Cc: Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org>, "bfcpbis@ietf.org" <bfcpbis@ietf.org>, "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com>, "bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org" <bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > Hi Alissa, > > I don’t have a strong opinion on this. Either way (having a single attribute or two different SDP attributes) would work. > > Implementations can still retrieve the value (URI) of that attribute and based on the proto line (TCP/WS/BFCP or TCP/WSS/BFCP) match the URI against ws or wss schema defined in RFC6455. I would expect such a validation to happen across layers. > The SDP stack parser to look at the proto line transport value (TCP/WS/BFCP or TCP/WSS/BFCP) and check for presence of a=websocket-uri attribute. The value of this attribute (ws or wss schema) can be passed *as is* to the application (in this case BFCP client application) which will validate it against the schema in RFC 6455. > > I am OK to incorporate this comment to have a single SDP attribute. > > Regards, > Ram > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> > Date: Thursday, 19 January 2017 at 1:58 AM > To: "Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)" <rmohanr@cisco.com> > Cc: Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org>, "bfcpbis@ietf.org" <bfcpbis@ietf.org>, "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com>, "bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org" <bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org> > Resent-To: <rmohanr@cisco.com>, <gsalguei@cisco.com> > Resent-Date: Thursday, 19 January 2017 at 1:58 AM > > Hi Ram, > > I had some further conversation with Alexey on the side and wanted to come back to a question he posed: is there a reason why a=ws-uri and a=wss-uri both need to be specified? Why can’t a single label be specified, say a=websocket-uri, and then have normative language requiring the scheme in the URI itself to match what’s in the associated m-line (ws:// for TCP/WS/BFCP and wss:// for TCP/WSS/BFCP)? Won’t it be more efficient for implementations to grab the URI itself anyway and check that the scheme matches the m-line? > > Thanks, > Alissa > >> On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Ram Mohan R (rmohanr) <rmohanr@cisco.com> wrote: >> >> Alissa, >> >> I am fine with the proposed text. >> >> Thanks, >> Ram >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> >> Date: Tuesday, 17 January 2017 at 8:07 PM >> To: Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> >> Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org>, "bfcpbis@ietf.org" <bfcpbis@ietf.org>, "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com>, "bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org" <bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org>, "Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)" <rmohanr@cisco.com> >> Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >> >> Alexey, would the following changes clarify things? >> >> Section 4.1 >> OLD >> the server side, which could be either >> the offerer or answerer, MUST add an "a=ws-uri" or "a=wss-uri" >> attribute in the media section >> NEW >> the server side, which could be either >> the offerer or answerer, MUST add an "a=ws-uri" or "a=wss-uri” >> attribute (but not both) in the media section >> >> Section 4.3 >> OLD >> If the answers assigns SDP "setup" attribute with "passive", then it >> MUST have a URI in either "a=ws-uri" or "a=wss-uri" attribute >> depending on whether the application uses WebSocket or >> secureWebSocket. >> NEW >> If the answers assigns SDP "setup" attribute with "passive", then it >> MUST have a URI in either "a=ws-uri" or "a=wss-uri" attribute >> (but not both) in the media section, depending on whether the application uses WebSocket or >> secureWebSocket. >> >> Ram, would you be okay with those clarifications? >> >> Alissa >> >> >>> On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Ram Mohan R (rmohanr) <rmohanr@cisco.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Alexey, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> >>> Date: Monday, 16 January 2017 at 8:25 PM >>> To: "Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)" <rmohanr@cisco.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org> >>> Cc: "draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org>, "bfcpbis@ietf.org" <bfcpbis@ietf.org>, "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com>, "bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org" <bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org> >>> Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >>> >>> Hi Ram, >>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017, at 02:49 PM, Ram Mohan R (rmohanr) wrote: >>>> Hi Alexey, >>>> >>>> Please see inline <Ram> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> >>>> Date: Monday, 16 January 2017 at 7:57 PM >>>> To: "Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)" <rmohanr@cisco.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org> >>>> Cc: "draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org" >>>> <draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org>, "bfcpbis@ietf.org" >>>> <bfcpbis@ietf.org>, "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com>, >>>> "bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org" <bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on >>>> draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >>>> >>>> Hi Ram, >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017, at 06:09 AM, Ram Mohan R (rmohanr) wrote: >>>>> Hi Alexey, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your feedback. Please see inline <Ram> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: bfcpbis <bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alexey Melnikov >>>>> <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> >>>>> Date: Saturday, 14 January 2017 at 3:49 AM >>>>> To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org> >>>>> Cc: "draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org" >>>>> <draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri@ietf.org>, "bfcpbis@ietf.org" >>>>> <bfcpbis@ietf.org>, "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com>, >>>>> "bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org" <bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org> >>>>> Subject: [bfcpbis] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on >>>>> draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >>>>> >>>>> Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for >>>>> draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-08: Discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> DISCUSS: >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> This is generally a well written document, but I have a small list of >>>>> issues that I would like to discuss before recommending its approval: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Are a=ws-uri and a=wss-uri mutually exclusive? (Section 4.3 is a >>>>> good >>>>> place to mention what to do if both are specified). >>>>> >>>>> <Ram> Yes kind of. In a given media line (m= line) we will either have >>>>> a=ws-uri or a=wss-uri. That said a response from a BFCP server using >>>>> webSocket as a transport can >>>>> have two media lines one with ws and other with wss. Something like: >>>>> >>>>> Answer (server): >>>>> m=application 50000 TCP/WSS/BFCP * >>>>> a=setup:passive >>>>> a=connection:new >>>>> a=wss-uri:wss://bfcp-ws.example.com?token=3170449312 >>>>> m=application 50000 TCP/WS/BFCP * >>>>> a=setup:passive >>>>> a=connection:new >>>>> a=ws-uri:ws://bfcp-ws.example.com?token=3170449312 >>>> >>>> [Alexey]: This is exactly my problem, you should specify how a >>>> recipient >>>> should handle your example above. If you only have 1 attribute, the >>>> problem goes away entirely. >>>> >>>> <Ram> in the above case, they are still two different m= lines. The >>>> receiver (after offer/answer is done) of this SDP connects to the URI >>>> mentioned in that m= line. >>>> Note I just re-used the same URL/port in the example above. If there are >>>> multiple m=application media lines (they will be for different >>>> applications) being negotiated in SDP, one application may use secure WS >>>> and other application may use non-secure WS. The client after it receives >>>> the answer SDP will just setup the connection to the URI specified in the >>>> attribute. >>> >>> Sorry, I was thinking about different example: >>> >>> m=application 50000 TCP/WSS/BFCP * >>> a=setup:passive >>> a=connection:new >>> a=wss-uri:wss://bfcp-ws.example.com?token=3170449312 >>> a=ws-uri:ws://bfcp-ws.example.com?token=3170449312 >>> >>> You have 2 conflicting URIs for the same m= line. Is this possible? >>> >>> <Ram> No this is not possible. If the transport is TCP/WSS/BFCP we should have only a=wss-uri. If transport is TCP/WS/BFCP we should have only a=ws-uri. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ram >>> >>>> I don’t see any problem in here. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Ram >>>> >>>>> Why not a single attribute, considering that both ws: and wss: URIs >>>>> are >>>>> possible? >>>>> >>>>> <Ram> I would still prefer two attributes. We just followed the >>>>> convention / approach that was used in [RFC6455]. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > <Diff_ draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-08.txt - draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-09.txt.html> > <draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-09.txt>
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