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Re: [Bier] Multicast ABR in BBF

Caitlin Bestler <caitlin.bestler@nexenta.com> Wed, 22 August 2018 00:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Bier] Multicast ABR in BBF
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I think the draft should be clear as to whether any referenced technique
contitute reliable delivery or is relly just a better best effort delivery.
Given the groups working on the proposals i would expect the latter,.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Huangyihong (Rachel) <
rachel.huang@huawei.com> wrote:

> Hi Debashish,
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> I was mentioning that in the application layer, similar idea is developing
> in other SDOs, i.e., DVB and BBF.
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> DVB has been working on this for a long time. They are developing
> technical architecture, modules, and  transport protocols between different
> devices. See https://www.dvb.org/resources/public/standards/a176_
> adaptive_media_streaming_over_ip_multicast_2018-02-16_draft_bluebook.pdf
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> BBF also started similar work in October 2016. It’s called WT-399. This
> work is now coordinated with DVB. The basic agreement was made that BBF
> will only focus on the device management models developing.
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> Anyway, these existing work are decoupled from the network multicast
> capabilities. Current IGMP PIM could work with them perfectly.
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> So basically, I think BIER would help in this area to provide a better
> multicast delivery. But we need to dig more and point it out in the draft.
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> BR,
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> Rachel
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> *From:* BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Purkayastha,
> Debashish
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2018 5:26 AM
> *To:* bier@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [Bier] Multicast ABR in BBF
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> Dear Rachel and All,
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> W.r.t comment in IETF 102 on draft “BIER multicast overlay for http
> response”, there was a discussion on  Multicast ABR.  It was mentioned that
> BBF is working on similar area for streaming live video.
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> Can you please point me to the correct document, which can help me in
> understanding the framework better?
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> Thanks
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> Debashish.
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