Re: [Bier] BitStringLengths in draft-ietf-bier-architecture-07

Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com> Wed, 09 August 2017 22:14 UTC

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From: Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 15:13:45 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Bier] BitStringLengths in draft-ietf-bier-architecture-07
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On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 11:36 AM, IJsbrand Wijnands <ice@cisco.com> wrote:

> Tony,
>
> > 1. As a matter of principle yes, one of my usual pony horses,
> "architecture should not overspecify a technology" and that applies here.
> the architecture doc would be better served without that clause.
>
> Great, lets change it!
>
> > 3. Removing the restriction must not, IMO, result in a complete new WG
> LC and IESG review albeit Greg has to write a new Ops section which will
> probably make both prudent nevertheless
>
> We’ve been working on this architecture for a few years now, and this
> document is the MAIN architecture for BIER. If we discovered an mistake
> before its published as RFC, lets fix it now. If WG LC and IESG will add a
> 4 month delay, who cares?
>
>
OK, I go along with your arguments.

Alia, how much of LC do we have to rerun after the section is removed from
arch + ops added & section is added to encaps doc?

But do not forget the 2) !

--- tony