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Re: [Bier] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-bier-te-arch-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Wed, 25 August 2021 19:16 UTC

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From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2021 15:15:19 -0400
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To: Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Bier] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-bier-te-arch-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 2:20 PM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On August 25, 2021 at 12:08:31 PM, Rob Wilton wrote:
>
>
> Rob:
>
> > When I pulled up these docs, and both in tools and datatracker the
> document
> > boilerplate has them as experimental. Do you know if this is a generic
> issue,
> > or specific to these docs for some reason? I would say that having
> different
> > status in different places is highly confusing.
>
> Yes, it is confusing.  The problem is that the boilerplate is part of

the RFC, so it's immutable.
>

Can someone ELI5 why we don't just republish documents when the status
changes?

It seems like it would be trivial to take RFC8296, and run `sed /Category:
Experimental/Category: Proposed Standard/`, add "Obsoletes: RFC8296", and
slap a new number on it...

It is already clear that we will soon need 5 digit RFC numbers, so it's not
like these are a limited resource...

W


>
> Alvaro.
>
>

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