Re: [Bier] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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From: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
To: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" <zzhang@juniper.net>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Bier] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi!

Thanks for the new text in -13.  It addresses my DISCUSS and COMMENT feedback.  I've cleared my ballot.

Regards,
Roman

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 4:17 PM
> To: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> Cc: draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa@ietf.org; bier-chairs@ietf.org; bier@ietf.org; Greg
> Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>; aretana.ietf@gmail.com
> Subject: RE: Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa-12: (with
> DISCUSS and COMMENT)
> 
> Hi Roman,
> 
> Sorry for the late response. I took some time off and was catching up slowly.
> Please see zzh> below.
> 
> 
> Juniper Business Use Only
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 1:58 PM
> To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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> Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>; aretana.ietf@gmail.com;
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> Subject: Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa-12: (with DISCUSS
> and COMMENT)
> 
> [External Email. Be cautious of content]
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> 
> Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa-12: Discuss
> 
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> Please refer to
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> nts/handling-ballot-positions/__;!!NEt6yMaO-
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> for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
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> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
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> bar-ipa/__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!U2KKSOJNf6MUTSOAxpFfuY4UsnsdVEYq9h-
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> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> DISCUSS:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ** Section 2.
> 
>    If a BAR value is not specified in a RFC but only privately used for
>    a deployment, it MUST be within the "240-254 Experimental Use" range
>    of the registry.
> 
> If this document is redefining “experimental use” to be “privately used for a
> deployment” please provide the appropriate applicability statement that
> bounds this “deployment”.
> 
> Zzh> The intention is that if a deployment uses a BAR value that is not covered
> in a specification, then it must be from that range. Based on the suggestions
> I've updated the text as the following:
> 
>     If a specification is not available for a specific BAR, its
>     value MUST be from the Private or Experimental Use range of
>     the registry.
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Thank you to Vincent Roca for the SECDIR review.
> 
> ** Section 2.  I support Paul Wouter’s DISCUSS on his concerns on:
> 
>    If a BAR value is not specified in a RFC but only privately used for
>    a deployment, it MUST be within the "240-254 Experimental Use" range
>    of the registry.
> 
> This text suggests that BAR values will be either published in an RFC or NOT.
> The current ranges in that IANA registry
> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.iana.org/assignments/bier/bier.xht
> ml*bier-algorithm__;Iw!!NEt6yMaO-
> gk!U2KKSOJNf6MUTSOAxpFfuY4UsnsdVEYq9h-
> pZlVjGtJ_XvgyJtSTfAjnJ_WxfsG1$ ) suggest that that only 0-127 is an RFC
> (Standards Action), but 128 – 239 could be either RFC or other specification
> (Specification Required).
> 
> Zzh> Please see the above new text.
> 
> ** Section 2.
> 
> The definition for the BAR and IPA fields in [RFC8401] and [RFC8444]
>    are updated as follows.
> 
>  Please be specific on which text is being modified – Section 6.1 of RFC8401
> and Section 2.1 of RFC8444.
> 
> Zzh> Yes it will be fixed in the new revision.
> Zzh> Thanks!
> Zzh> Jeffrey
>