Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02

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From: "Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>
To: Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>, Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
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Subject: Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02
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After ready this draft, I am still not clear why we need standardization for BIER header bit manipulation in case of FRR.

BIER FRR can follow IGP decision (i.e. LFA, R-LFA, TI-LFA), the BIER header bit manipulation based on next hop or next next hop is PLR decision. The MP just acts based on the BIER header it receives from PLR. BIER header manipulation is implementation.

I think at best an informational draft with some algorithm suggestions.

Regards
Hooman
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Subject: Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02

As others pointed out it's not clear we need to "standardize" this for the simple reason this is _very_ implementation dependent. "Standardizing" is important if interoperability is important, in this sense if this draft talks about different schemes interoperating, gotchas etc, yes, there may be an angle there. Starting from a model aligned with Menthe, describing alternate techniques [like multiple BIFTs with compression etc] if the technical problems/discussions with those can be ironed out is a good thing since it will document possible approaches/issues etc but what track this is best published on should be discussed bit down the road especially after implementation/experience with different approaches.

-- tony

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 3:56 AM Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn<mailto:wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>> wrote:
Hi, All:

As co-author of this draft, I support its adoption.
I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Some technical discussions and clear statements for the implementation are necessary, standardize them can accomplish the consistent behavior across the network wide.

Best Regards

Aijun Wang
China Telecom

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Subject: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02


A 2-week WG adoption call begins for the following draft:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-bier-frr/

Please indicate your support or objection by March 30th, 2021.

Authors, please respond to the list indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Thanks,

Sandy (As WG secretary, on behalf of Greg/Tony)