Re: [Bier] In reply to the formal complaints

Greg Shepherd <> Thu, 03 June 2021 11:20 UTC

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Thanks you Martin for your time and effort. I will send our summary on a
dedicated thread for discussion


On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 6:29 AM Martin Vigoureux <>

> WG
> First, I'd like to apologize for the time this has taken.
> I have reviewed the two formal complaints that were sent early March,
> and I have also reviewed most of the e-mails that were sent on the bier
> mailing list for the past 12 months or so, relating to BIER and IPv6.
> I will not individually discuss the various points raised, rather I will
> make a general statement.
> It is my opinion that a certain number of points are not critical (in
> the sense of not needing an AD to step-in) and some typically happen
> sometimes as part of the life cycle of WGs. Yet, I do recognize that
> some points are more problematic than others.
> Further, it is my opinion that the points listed may arise from a
> variety of intentions and as such it is hazardous to associate them with
> a particular one.
> It is however my opinion that the multiplicity of concerns is, in
> itself, a concern.
> I have talked with the chairs. They do recognize that, at some
> occasions, their communication was not the most effective one, and I
> trust they will pay attention to that in the future.
> About the adoption poll on draft-zhang-bier-bierin6. Although the way
> this was handled raised some concerns, I'd like to remind that an
> adoption poll is not formally part of our processes, even if it is
> common practice, and in fact it only marks the start of the WG
> discussion. As such, I have little arguments to go back on this.
> The last part is about the progress of a so-called BIER v6 solution.
> Here, I have asked the chairs to establish a summary of the discussions
> regarding that type of solution in general and regarding the specific
> document which proposes a solution. They should publish it some time
> after this e-mail.
> Following that, it is my expectation that the WG has a fair and open
> discussion, ideally focussing on the general aspects, and then concludes
> on the way forward.
> Martin
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