Re: [Bimi] Laches

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Wed, 03 April 2019 17:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Bimi] Laches
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On 4/3/2019 10:02 AM, Wei Chuang wrote:
> (IANAL) To be sure this topic is complex.  We have ideas to your point 
> above but that's still in progress, and we hope to have more to share 
> soon.  Your framing this around "laches" is new to us, and helpful feedback.


Wei,


Something like Bimi is easy to make work at small scale.  And it doesn't 
need a standards effort.


So the question for any Internet-scale standards effort is:  What are 
the critical issues that need to be solved?


For Bimi, I believe the challenge of making logo use 'validated' at 
scale is the primary, critical issue.(*)  This was noted at the start of 
the Bimi effort, two years ago.  That there is still no resolution is 
not surprising, but it adds to the concern about there pursuing Bimi 
components now, with the hope that this major scaling barrier will 
somehow get resolved 'soon'.

Any effort to pursue Bimi-related standards needs to happen /after/ this 
long-standing legal, technical, and operational challenge has a viable 
proposal for solution.


d/

(*) There are, of course, other concerns, such as the frankly tenuous 
premise that Bimi will drive authentication adoption by bulk senders on 
the also-thin possibility of more recipient logo-impressions.  But as 
technical barriers go, logo 'validation' is easily dominant.

-- 
Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net