Re: [Cacao] [EXT] Consensus call for CACAO Charter

Bret Jordan <Bret_Jordan@symantec.com> Tue, 25 June 2019 05:59 UTC

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I do not agree with that proposed change.

Bret

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On Jun 24, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Chris Inacio <inacio@cert.org<mailto:inacio@cert.org>> wrote:

We have a new charter revision posted to the list [1] and available as an internet-draft [2].  The charter addresses the comments made during the previous call and tightens the scope of the work.   Please send any comments on the charter to the list by June 28, 2019.

At this point the chairs (and the AD’s) are concerned with the number of people willing to volunteer to edit documents.  There have been a number of people willing to review documents.  This lack of volunteering to edit documents is the biggest factor slowing the chartering of this effort as a working group currently.  If there are possible editors who have not participated in the IETF, please let them know to send an email to the list and volunteer.

Lastly,  with respect to the “JSON Data Model” concerns that have been voiced on the list from Med and Carsten, we propose the following from:

—


o  CACAO JSON Data Model

      *  Create a JSON data model that can capture and enable
         collaborative courses of action


to

o CACAO Data Model
* Create a data model that can capture and enable collaborative courses of action in
  an appropriate format which can be realized in JSON and/or other wire formats as appropriate

—


Thanks,

Joe and Chris


[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cacao/k7XkqboXMJYkAmCBT99SJzQLTq8<https://clicktime.symantec.com/3HShpPU1Z7PqSe6ACHVydrA7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fcacao%2Fk7XkqboXMJYkAmCBT99SJzQLTq8>

[2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jordan-cacao-charter-06<https://clicktime.symantec.com/3WSU8Nwv8DNmfbGSd7LkRFP7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-jordan-cacao-charter-06>

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