Re: [Call-home] draft now posted; BoF?
Josh Littlefield <joshl@cisco.com> Tue, 27 September 2005 16:57 UTC
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> Bert> I find your examples weak. I am not aware of wide-use of SNMP to > Bert> manage/monitor laptops or wireless phones. If others are, then > Bert> please let me/us know about that. > > Bert I suspect one of the reasons you don't find that is that it is > indeed difficult. I've worked in many environments where desktop > machines were managed at least in part using SNMP. When you don't > know the final transport address to manage a laptop, of course you > couldn't do it today. That's his point. Yes, that's exactly the point. Using SNMP today to manage devices behind a NAT or firewall is difficult and can require STUN or ICE. In general, it is not worth the trouble. An SSH-based SNMP will present even more difficulty. Service providers wishing to manage home devices in the face of household NATs are at a loss. The SIPPING WG has defined a configuration framework for deliverying device configuration profiles across a NAT to SIP devices in a call-home fashion triggered by SIP NOTIFY messages, but they have no solution for management. The DSL Forum has defined a call-home style protocol (TR-069), using a form of SOAP sitting somewhat backward on HTTP, for combined configuration and management of conformant devices. In other technologies, operators happily using SNMP for management of non-NATed subscriber devices now are being forced to consider a variety of non-SNMP alternatives to support management and diagnosis of new devices in the home. If the IETF chooses not to consider and solve the call-home problem in the face of new SNMP transports, it is essentially abandoning management of this large new class of devices, and leaving it to the industry to create a hodge-podge of solutions. Josh _______________________________________________ Call-home mailing list Call-home@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/call-home
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