Re: [Captive-portals] Remediation url for CAPPORT

Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Mon, 20 January 2020 07:45 UTC

Return-Path: <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
X-Original-To: captive-portals@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: captive-portals@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610491200B7 for <captive-portals@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:45:06 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.901
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=itaoyama.onmicrosoft.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qOmLL0y7QJ3h for <captive-portals@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:45:04 -0800 (PST)
Received: from JPN01-TY1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr1400117.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.140.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1CD1120025 for <Captive-portals@ietf.org>; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:45:03 -0800 (PST)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=K2f4C8aQxUyrpYVqEOVkTvVR9mpjvK1pHwKyhgam6/s57dkW00eGcbkbT7e2xMaLVXOKyADN3Oky9HymQ09xlE5OsqjgHehfZLhEmv3oZ9Qzyhv0C9iUBTnbFyBMqbozAGZry/EVJhi56JI2L/s4TfIx7MD3i8ABYYnfXDSRzP1RXc+bN+9rwYYVjEYlraKeFGUOTp6xwBxD8lWhE0BnwDiq1OEZ3ym09zD1DCvxvLGrIqPYDIPNcQ3N2/fBqriJhYljVjJ5hkV6eJJ0An/WN7q1YVhahX+fB6M43+vttf5KgXPMAzMQLOk8ZxZtY5dRIvsb5f8AfPbPhDeBbbmf9A==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=v/tgTMqKX8bC22ly5MOOpP09+oIElBma1+4Cx7jfo98=; b=IBOAz7p57bjdd8Y29MXmylHdmbjZlicS4qpJgi5M4mjDuKNkpvotn1MW9bQTI6vbaJDLFy7jO6Af30NumXedDsDxXzsvhtXpe+ATnh+BiLhU7oOcFNtBFValM6bh9U+x8rhldvKJhA4075LTKuOb35oIaEuh5PNGtz9DtfKMvs0Kr3IyGucN6ueHycFmTGcj4dauRjGGa2COsLCSRcswMGr2QIv+GVBsSfhIg0PFIzjfclg711C6I5rjvpsS0mMf9atvIYi4eN+rcf2qcYdZOkXgBWLVdxBSh+/QjUkTJzCaoNyfH9KED7IIeQC87YU7sTEt6/PDkgVnBIiHVVGKWQ==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=it.aoyama.ac.jp; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=it.aoyama.ac.jp; dkim=pass header.d=it.aoyama.ac.jp; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=itaoyama.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-itaoyama-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=v/tgTMqKX8bC22ly5MOOpP09+oIElBma1+4Cx7jfo98=; b=aLuOJy+H3m/kAC5a39FjrNoqZdXwhwLMUQWf85DoCIrYnkJDGsNO7qxORifUN6RCBIC5YAN/1c02mNpob/yFe9czckkiXZ8rsRrB06xkteaYdS8b8OHsQiAGoNPcRlXpHUnUx25ATln9GMjKEORz8qyedR5gTBNLcie0f35h9yM=
Received: from OSBPR01MB4134.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (20.178.99.16) by OSBPR01MB3096.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (52.134.254.75) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2644.23; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:45:01 +0000
Received: from OSBPR01MB4134.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::2803:ceac:27fa:cf6c]) by OSBPR01MB4134.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::2803:ceac:27fa:cf6c%4]) with mapi id 15.20.2644.024; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:45:01 +0000
Received: from [192.168.11.2] (133.2.210.83) by TYAPR01CA0033.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (2603:1096:404:28::21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2644.18 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:45:01 +0000
From: =?utf-8?B?TWFydGluIEouIETDvHJzdA==?= <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>, captive-portals <Captive-portals@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Captive-portals] Remediation url for CAPPORT
Thread-Index: AQHVz00U+8MFSJMqmkiW24thjqYzDqfzHliAgAAOE4A=
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:45:01 +0000
Message-ID: <c145924b-06b7-b7b2-67f3-ad193e5629e3@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
References: <CAKMty=Ks0j6dxPvsDHTpWBCrujihCe7Yzsb4zaV5SkRfh8fx9Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAKxhTx_uaZVFs4VhM+nro61XxTjPtwZ+pZ_gsJtNQXiNHtf2vQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAMGpriX1ct9y53HZ2FtbK00TfVm3uNRFMwYQW0Wb_18XoXjFJw@mail.gmail.com> <CAKMty=KhYr4XfJWzXeBiod1oiyG-qVp7-ANKJaZF1-_nPZhrTw@mail.gmail.com> <CAAedzxocTUhQ-z+_Cpz8PhG=o3CR4aZHOGddngiEjZ1HZChP1A@mail.gmail.com> <D00FBAF2-3825-4435-8426-10C300E491F2@apple.com> <CAKxhTx9g3WrKM=BP2fifv08CVcMrZvhuvnZjapb3ugN=WX1fhg@mail.gmail.com> <DBEFCCF8-0677-490F-A305-14C880B3DC7A@apple.com> <CAKMty=JqBHb3fqrBy1yhrfxuJVMATP=HByD+bxRezKUN5WYqQA@mail.gmail.com> <CAAedzxpXPdUw+LpfLK15T1YRghSO973pHUaQZQara5GH1QYiPA@mail.gmail.com> <CAKxhTx_8Bik5HnCae4OtYv7Q0gtv7bmKY3PamQN4aGb=S0V7dw@mail.gmail.com> <CAKD1Yr1G8peXKMjjz_K-=CgHdZnj_+E0ZOS6s9bLK0X9DitBMw@mail.gmail.com> <5342.1579503275@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <5342.1579503275@localhost>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-clientproxiedby: TYAPR01CA0033.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (2603:1096:404:28::21) To OSBPR01MB4134.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (2603:1096:604:4c::16)
authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp;
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-originating-ip: [133.2.210.83]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: e68bee18-dd2a-4cff-6f19-08d79d7ca7d3
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: OSBPR01MB3096:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <OSBPR01MB3096906101F54FD36CF248A9CA320@OSBPR01MB3096.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com>
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:6790;
x-forefront-prvs: 0288CD37D9
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(376002)(346002)(396003)(366004)(136003)(39840400004)(189003)(199004)(8936002)(31696002)(81166006)(956004)(4744005)(2616005)(2906002)(81156014)(53546011)(66946007)(66556008)(66446008)(66476007)(71200400001)(64756008)(186003)(8676002)(16526019)(52116002)(26005)(85182001)(6486002)(31686004)(16576012)(85202003)(786003)(316002)(5660300002)(508600001)(110136005)(86362001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:OSBPR01MB3096; H:OSBPR01MB4134.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:0;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: it.aoyama.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts)
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: C9o0tTNOC8LlywPayBZi/sCmNWjWD2eFFY7W6FYm+ajPHARz3BKx/T644pEp88++V0bocriK9se1ojpmqqFouQdFb5ifyEUIRruTjzvd+RlqiNctliwzJZlaRfdODt5EJKS7Jd3ChYILcD0Fd+uImgnHPJjY+jjB/t7VgAY6VsRYdO1e29Hv0rGJ2o/h4PE2bh5pLgl/T+bpANm0DKiNOUyNNzKRuJuehSBO+qyygd/T/dce11zkhtRW+izFYKd41iZJuf9oToELi9B/YadBrmNCbYWzrbrWGoILOW+qG38zIAR4CbJyO/Kttl6H5KT8cqklOj8ipRMxKJZSB4HI+f+I05dyqgT3L55BBKoJXpr/hirATaz8C9JVJnOjv7UenyZ0lAHe2ykhd6RjT1l6bA9A4xUR4/TZ41A5gP9fWIdprMG9+qw60jsm2c97VFHx
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <D0DD77EEA55BEE45996D53E9DA7BE65F@jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: it.aoyama.ac.jp
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e68bee18-dd2a-4cff-6f19-08d79d7ca7d3
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 20 Jan 2020 07:45:01.4281 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: e02030e7-4d45-463e-a968-0290e738c18e
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: gCEUgKp65W2satNKBqosNlugUt9PzCtk8jjyojI3WlzSfxl++LzeEiXe2qdtgtyHFfpFFSO4v2JT7eLLt5Ut3A==
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: OSBPR01MB3096
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/captive-portals/O_ifZsEwuIUCaITGJ2oS7pO9K88>
Subject: Re: [Captive-portals] Remediation url for CAPPORT
X-BeenThere: captive-portals@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Discussion of issues related to captive portals <captive-portals.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/captive-portals>, <mailto:captive-portals-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/captive-portals/>
List-Post: <mailto:captive-portals@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:captive-portals-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/captive-portals>, <mailto:captive-portals-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:45:06 -0000

On 20/01/2020 15:54, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> There are a number of locations where you get 20 minutes free, and then you
> have to purchase the extension.  That doesn't seem to fit into remedial to
> me. (Montreal Airport comes to mind)
> 
> I guess such locations have an incentive to put something other than "you're
> logged in" on that page.   What should such a location do?  Do they say the
> offer extensions, or not?

Purely as a user, I'd guess something like "you have 12 minutes 30 
seconds of free time left, extend here for 5$ per hour" (where the '12 
minutes 30 seconds' is a counter counting down) would be most useful on 
that page. "logged in" doesn't give much information.

Regards,   Martin.