[Ietf-carddav] RE: [Ietf-caldav] Off topic: CardDAV

Cameron Stillion <camerost@exchange.microsoft.com> Wed, 19 October 2005 16:38 UTC

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Subject: [Ietf-carddav] RE: [Ietf-caldav] Off topic: CardDAV
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I would like to just add that strategically, vCard and iCal are
intimately related.  Endeavors in this area are necessarily going to
reference each other.  As soon as you begin implementing any PIM
features of relative value, it becomes very clear.  Distributing
Calendars needs a way to associate an owner with a calendar, especially
the kind that represent your actual schedule, as opposed to the calendar
for the little league team you coach on the weekends.  Likewise, as soon
as you begin distributing your contact information, the next piece you
want to share is your schedule.  Both standards need to have a way to
associate back and forth.  A standard or protocol that mentions one but
not the other, is IMHO - incomplete, and unfinished.


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[mailto:ietf-caldav-bounces@osafoundation.org] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Wednesday.19.October.2005 08.59
To: Cyrus Daboo
Cc: CalDAV DevList; CardDAV DevList
Subject: Re: [Ietf-caldav] Off topic: CardDAV

Nice idea but you may want to consider a cardsify initiative to go along
with it. vCard leaves a lot to be desired.:-)

Cyrus Daboo wrote:

> Hi folks,
> This is a little of topic, but I think it is relevant for most folks. 
> I have just sent in a draft for a new protocol called CardDAV:
> <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-daboo-carddav-00.txt>
> CardDAV does for vCards what CalDAV does for iCalendar. i.e. it 
> provides a set of WebDAV extensions and a data model for access to 
> vCard objects stored on a server. CardDAV is very similar to CalDAV 
> because of the similarities between iCalendar and vCard formats.
> There is a separate discussion list setup for CardDAV, so please 
> respond to any comments on that list rather than the CalDAV list. List

> details are below:
> <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-carddav>

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