Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling of time zone offsets
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Fri, 03 July 2020 10:32 UTC
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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 12:32:12 +0200
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag@ietf.org, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, cbor@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling of time zone offsets
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On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 09:05:50AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: [...] > Counting calendar sheets ripped off the wall is rather unambiguous, though. > > The problems that you are alluding to come from transitioning between the calendar day domain and the time anchored on a time scale domain; additional problems are caused with this when the time involves time zones that vary in world time offset. You like to view a date as something entirely detached from the notion of time. I am not sure what the use cases for this are, in particular for computers. I can see, however, a number of use cases where a date is associated with a specific event and in these situations the date value is ambiguous since multiple systems rightfully may assign different dates to the same event (the same point in time). Hence, code comparing date values or making calculations with them has to be careful that surprises may happen. /js PS: There are even events where there is no natural time zone that can be associated with the event, like the first step on the moon. -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <https://www.jacobs-university.de/>
- [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling of … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Thiago Macieira
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Thiago Macieira
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Jim Schaad
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Mike Jones
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Jim Schaad
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] draft-ietf-cbor-date-tag-02 - handling… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Cbor] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-cbor-date-ta… Mike Jones
- Re: [Cbor] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-cbor-date-ta… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-cbor-date-ta… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Cbor] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-cbor-date-ta… Carsten Bormann