Re: [Cbor] 🔔 WG adoption call on draft-richardson-cbor-file-magic

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 18 February 2021 17:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Cbor] 🔔 WG adoption call on draft-richardson-cbor-file-magic
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Alexander Pelov <a@ackl.io> wrote:
    > On a second note, the document is mentioning "protocol" and "file
    > encoding" somewhat interchangeably. Maybe I'm missing something here.

Generally, a CBOR Protocol, or CBOR-based Protocol is a way to do something
using CBOR.
The thing using the CBOR (e.g. COSE, or a RATS EAT), is the Protocol, and
that document needs to explain things.

The thing that is sent over the wire, the Protocol, need not include the
entire file encoding. (X509 PEM files are seldom sent over the wire in their
base64 form; TLS and SIME sends the DER, for instance)

That's why the discussion was about CBOR Sequence vs using a Tag to wrap the item.
It seems to me, that a 12-byte CBOR Sequence preceeding the item is really
easy to remove.

    > Also, I suppose that is obvious, but just to make it clear, it would be
    > good to put a clarification that this is not a mandatory way of storing
    > CBOR.

That's why the intended status is BCP, not standards track.

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