Re: [Cbor] Deprecating tags and Ethernet address in draft-ietf-cbor-network-addresses-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Wed, 06 October 2021 01:27 UTC
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From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 21:26:49 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Cbor] Deprecating tags and Ethernet address in draft-ietf-cbor-network-addresses-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi, On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 6:57 PM Erik Kline <ek.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Will there be cleverness like reusing the RFC 7043 DNS RR values > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7043#section-7> for the new > tags? ;-) > <de> Well, that certainly could be done, but I don't think it is the right thing. With RRs, it is good to have a narrow type of value (RRDATA). Almost certainly, someone retrieving from the DNS is going to want a 48 bit or, less commonly, a 64 bit MAC address (Infiniband, IEEE 801.15.4 (ZigBee), and IEEE 1394 (FireWire) use 64-bit MAC addresses). If both were returned in response to a DNS query, it would probably require a little more complexity in the client. On the other hand, I don't think that applies so much to someone parsing CBOR. Also, while there is no current use of other length MAC addresses, some years ago there was a movement towards 128 bit MAC addresses although that seems to have been abandoned. Anyway, I think a single MAC address tag with variable length byte string value would be best. <de> Perhaps there should also be a second tag to identify 24-bit OUI/CID values. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 3:02 PM Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am in the process of revising RFC 7042. See >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eastlake-rfc7042bis/ >> >> Perhaps rfc7042bis should specify a CBOR tag for MAC addresses. I'd be >> happy to add that. >> >> Thanks, >> Donald >> =============================== >> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) >> 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA >> d3e3e3@gmail.com >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 12:59 PM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> {another area review, this one from Donald, which never made it to my >>> inbox. This seems to happen on and off for me. I know it's a local >>> issue. sigh} >>> >>> Opened as issue: >>> https://github.com/cbor-wg/cbor-network-address/issues/9 >>> >>> I guess that I'd like to thank the IESG, ADs and Donald Eastlake for >>> confirming for me, why I didn't want to say ANYTHING about tags 260 and >>> 261 :-) >>> >>> I think that there was a fourth comment which I've misplaced, maybe from >>> Barry, about what if you did want to tag an ethernet address. >>> I don't need to do that, if there is someone who does, maybe they could >>> speak up? >>> Tag 260 still works, but maybe you want another tag. >>> >>> First, since some previous review a week ago, the text now says >>> >>> ## Tags 260 and 261 >>> >>> IANA is requested to add the note "DEPRECATED in favor of 52 and 54 >>> for IP >>> addresses" to registrations 260 and 261 >>> >>> >>> ... the document does not deal with Ethernet Addresses. >>> >>> >>> According to this document, there currently exists a method for >>> encoding 48- and 64-bit MAC addresses using CBOR tag 260 but that >>> method will be deprecated. Shouldn't the draft preserve some >>> non-deprecated way of encoding MAC addresses? >>> ** Section 8.3. Recommend making the text clearer on what’s getting >>> deprecated >>> >>> OLD >>> IANA is requested to add the note "DEPRECATED in favor of 52 and 54 >>> for IP addresses" to registrations 260 and 261 >>> >>> NEW >>> IANA is requested to add the note "DEPRECATED for use with IP addresses >>> in >>> favor of 52 and 54" to registrations 260 and 261 >>> In light of the genart reviewer's comment, I think we should say >>> something like "this specification does not deal with Ethernet >>> addresses, and tag 260 remains available for that usage" to clarify that >>> we are not deprecating use of that tag for Ethernet addresses. >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT >>> consulting ) >>> Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
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- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] Deprecating tags and Ethernet address … Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Cbor] Deprecating tags and Ethernet address … Erik Kline
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Erik Kline
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Cbor] Deprecating tags and Ethernet address … Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Cbor] Deprecating tags and Ethernet address … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Thiago Macieira
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Erik Kline
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Barry Leiba
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Thiago Macieira
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Cbor] Supporting IPv6 Link-Local with scope … Brian E Carpenter