[Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-12-11)
Vadim Goncharov <vadimnuclight@gmail.com> Sun, 15 December 2024 03:32 UTC
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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 06:32:39 +0300
From: Vadim Goncharov <vadimnuclight@gmail.com>
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Subject: [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-12-11)
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 11:45:16 -0500 Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote: > Michael Jones <michael_b_jones@hotmail.com> wrote: > > A typical draft allocating tags allocates a number that you can > > count on one hand. Each such tag has a human-readable > > description of its purpose in the registry so people know what > > to use them for. > > Sure. > > But, CBOR packed isn't the same as, for instance, RFC9164 (v4/v6 Yes. And more, it's not *justified*. > tag), or even for RFC9277 which allocated 64K tags to match all > future (CoAP) Content-Format values. RFC9277 explicitely encouraged > use of 4-byte (1+4) tags, mind you. There is no objection for 4-byte range. > > I'd suggest that a reasonable maximum number of tags for a > > draft to allocate for its purposes is on the order of ten. > > a normal draft, sure. > CBOR Packed is infrastructure for use by other applications. > It's essentially a significant update to STD94. Such an update should not grab such big number of tags from applications, while performing notoriously bad for it's goal. Such infrastructure update should use unused codes from main specification. For example, exerpt from my CBAR (CBOR & generic BLOB by-Atom Reduc) idea: Internal pass: for CBOR, use unused codes 28..30 in each Major Type. For integers, it's shorter one (e.g. 3-byte), for each string type, prefix it with atom length as prescribed by CBOR, for tags, put common like stringref, and in special, make generic escape mechanism: e.g. 0xfc to escape one byte 0xfd - extended escape, and e.g. for atoms in middle of strings FC - copy 2+ bytes literal FD - dispense (decompress) atom FE - escape a single byte and all 0xFx codes switch off CBOR going to BLOB mode [...] * for BLOB media type, initialize "remaining_bytes" to entire length, and go to INBLOB state * in CBOR state every opcode is allowed, and special one for strings emits CBOR string prefix, then sets remaining_bytes to string's length * in BLOB state, only FC/FD/FE allowed, any other MUST throw error, and decrement remaining_bytes for every emitted piece * when remaining_bytes becomes zero, go back to CBOR state so, for strings: 5C - 2+ byte length (varint) BLOB state inside 5D - decompress one atom 5E - single byte length BLOB state inside and same for UTF-8 text strings (7C/7D/7E) -- WBR, @nuclight
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Ira McDonald
- Re: [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: *NO* CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on … Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Ira McDonald
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Wolf McNally
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… lgl island-resort.com
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… lgl island-resort.com
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Wolf McNally
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2024-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: Remi… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Joe Hildebrand
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Joe Hildebrand
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Michael Jones
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Michael Jones
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Joe Hildebrand
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Marco Tiloca
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocation … Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Christopher Allen
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Rohan Mahy
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR counter-pro… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Henk Birkholz
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Michael Richardson
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Kang Seonghoon
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Henk Birkholz
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Alan DeKok
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Alan DeKok
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Christopher Allen
- [Cbor] CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virt… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Wolf McNally
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Orie Steele
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Rohan Mahy
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Alan DeKok
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Alan DeKok
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Orie Steele
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Alan DeKok
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Rohan Mahy
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Alan DeKok
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Alan DeKok
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … lgl island-resort.com
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Orie Steele
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … lgl island-resort.com
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2025-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2025-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Orie Steele
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Alan DeKok
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Michael Richardson
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Alan DeKok
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … lgl island-resort.com
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … lgl island-resort.com
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Alan DeKok
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Martine Sophie Lenders
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Martine Sophie Lenders
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … lgl island-resort.com
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … lgl island-resort.com
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Orie Steele
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Alan DeKok
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: cbor-packed & dns-cbor are currently i… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: cbor-packed incompatibe / CBAR for dns… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed (Re: Early allocat… Vadim Goncharov
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- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Martine Sophie Lenders
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … lgl island-resort.com
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … lgl island-resort.com
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR explanation… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Abandon cbor-packed / CBAR alternative Martine Sophie Lenders
- [Cbor] Re: Early allocation for packed CBOR (Re: … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … lgl island-resort.com
- [Cbor] Re: CDE next steps (Re: Reminder: CBOR WG … Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2025-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2025-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Rohan Mahy
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2025-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Michael Richardson
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Michael Richardson
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Michael Richardson
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] cbor-packed, DNS-CBOR and CBAR/CBAPT (Was:… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: cbor-packed, DNS-CBOR and CBAR/CBAPT (… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: cbor-packed, DNS-CBOR and CBAR/CBAPT (… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2025-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2025-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Anders Rundgren
- [Cbor] Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2025-… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Barry Leiba
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Rohan Mahy
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Laurence Lundblade
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: packed: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 202… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: packed: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 202… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Carsten Bormann
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Vadim Goncharov
- [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2… Rohan Mahy