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From: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
To: Gert Grammel <ggrammel@juniper.net>,
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 Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com>,
 Dieter Beller <Dieter.Beller@alcatel-lucent.com>,
 "RKunze@telekom.de" <RKunze@telekom.de>, "ccamp@ietf.org" <ccamp@ietf.org>
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Gert,

This is a good point.  LMP was designed to allow a pair of nodes to manage =
the link between them such that both have the same understanding of its cha=
racteristics.  I think it is either a red herring or a blue whale to contin=
ue using the terms UNI/ENNI/INNI in our work as they were not defined by th=
e IETF and their definitions are not necessarily aligned with what we want =
to do.

As another reminder, up until the time it was published, RFC 4208's title w=
as 'GMPLS Support for the Overlay Model'.

Yours Irrespectively,

John

From: Gert Grammel
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:39 AM
To: Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe); Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; Dieter=
 Beller; RKunze@telekom.de; ccamp@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleagues

Hi Fatai & Gabriele,

given the lack of definition for UNI/ENNI/INNI in IETF, we better focus on =
protocols in this discussion. As a reminder:  LMP is described in RFC4204 a=
nd doesn't contain any of the 3 buzzwords just mentioned.

Gert


From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gabriele Maria Gal=
imberti (ggalimbe)
Sent: 17 March 2014 09:14
To: Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; Dieter Beller; RKunze@telekom.de<mailto:RKun=
ze@telekom.de>; ccamp@ietf.org<mailto:ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleagues

Hi Fatai,

Black link lies between a DWDM transceiver and a DWDM network (e.g. ROADM).

So on UNI for sure.  But, if You have Regenerators in the DWDM network the =
black link can be on the E-NNI and I-NNI.

Regards,

Gabriele
[http://www.cisco.com/swa/i/logo.gif]


Gabriele Galimberti
Technical Leader
Cisco Photonics Srl

Via Philips, 12
20900 - Monza (MI)
Italy
www.cisco.com/global/IT/<http://www.cisco.com/global/IT/>

ggalimbe@cisco.com<mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.com>
Phone :+39 039 2091462
Mobile :+39 335 7481947
Fax :+39 039 2092049












From: Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com<mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com>>
Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 3:12 AM
To: John Drake <jdrake@juniper.net<mailto:jdrake@juniper.net>>, Gabriele Ga=
limberti <ggalimbe@cisco.com<mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.com>>, Dieter Beller <Di=
eter.Beller@alcatel-lucent.com<mailto:Dieter.Beller@alcatel-lucent.com>>, "=
RKunze@telekom.de<mailto:RKunze@telekom.de>" <RKunze@telekom.de<mailto:RKun=
ze@telekom.de>>, "ccamp@ietf.org<mailto:ccamp@ietf.org>" <ccamp@ietf.org<ma=
ilto:ccamp@ietf.org>>
Subject: RE: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleagues

Hi John,

Thanks, I knew RFC4207 & RFC4209 and LMP is optional and more (~100%) used =
in I-NNI context.

My concern could be stated in another way more explicitly:

Usecases or scenarios are needed to describe where the black link lies, UNI=
, E-NNI or I-NNI, and then describe why LMP ext is needed, rather than brin=
g out a lot of parameters to be carried in LMP protocol without justificati=
on.



Best Regards

Fatai

From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 8:44 PM
To: Fatai Zhang; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe); Dieter Beller; RKunz=
e@telekom.de<mailto:RKunze@telekom.de>; ccamp@ietf.org<mailto:ccamp@ietf.or=
g>
Subject: RE: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleagues

Fatai,

LMP already has technology specific extensions for SDH and WDM.

Yours Irrespectively,

John

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fatai Zhang
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 12:57 AM
To: Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe); Dieter Beller; RKunze@telekom.de<=
mailto:RKunze@telekom.de>; ccamp@ietf.org<mailto:ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleagues

Hi Gabriele,

I prefer the first option, because CCAMP always follow the *G*MPLS principl=
e: generic/generalized->specific.

Note that you did not clarify how to justify which parameters can/(can not)=
 be exchanged.


Best Regards

Fatai

From: Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) [mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.com]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 3:42 PM
To: Fatai Zhang; Dieter Beller; RKunze@telekom.de<mailto:RKunze@telekom.de>=
; ccamp@ietf.org<mailto:ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleagues

Hi All,

Thanks for the comments and suggestion.
The first action I would take is update the draft with the explanations req=
uested during the ccamp session and in mailing list.

I'm not aware of any LMP extensions to support other technologies as Fatai =
is asking (apart the recent draft on sson),  I think this can be a matter o=
f collaboration
Discussing also whether to extend the existing draft or propose a new one.
I prefer the second option.

I'd also note that the LMP is not an extension of the UNI, LMP is a managem=
ent protocol to help interface management:
Discovery, negotiation, alarm correlation, etc.
It can run on interfaces not "served" by UNI e.g. On spans between ROADMS.

Regards,

Gabriele
[http://www.cisco.com/swa/i/logo.gif]


Gabriele Galimberti
Technical Leader
Cisco Photonics Srl

Via Philips, 12
20900 - Monza (MI)
Italy
www.cisco.com/global/IT/<http://www.cisco.com/global/IT/>

ggalimbe@cisco.com<mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.com>
Phone :+39 039 2091462
Mobile :+39 335 7481947
Fax :+39 039 2092049












From: Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com<mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com>>
Date: Friday, March 14, 2014 2:22 AM
To: Dieter Beller <Dieter.Beller@alcatel-lucent.com<mailto:Dieter.Beller@al=
catel-lucent.com>>, "RKunze@telekom.de<mailto:RKunze@telekom.de>" <RKunze@t=
elekom.de<mailto:RKunze@telekom.de>>, "ccamp@ietf.org<mailto:ccamp@ietf.org=
>" <ccamp@ietf.org<mailto:ccamp@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleagues

Hi Ruediger and other authors,

I agree with Dieter's point.

Is it really known what information can/should be exchanged and what can/sh=
ould not? How to justify?

In addition, do you see any draft about LMP ext over UNI for other technolo=
gies such as OTN, WSON, SDH, etc. defined in CCAMP?

If no, why not make this draft more generic?

I would also kindly suggest the authors have a look at the OIF UNI IAs (UNI=
 1.0 & UNI 2.0 and their difference) to see if it really makes sense to hav=
e LMP ext over UNI.


Best Regards

Fatai

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dieter Beller
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:17 PM
To: RKunze@telekom.de<mailto:RKunze@telekom.de>; ccamp@ietf.org<mailto:ccam=
p@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleagues

Hi Ruediger,
On 13.03.2014 15:36, RKunze@telekom.de<mailto:RKunze@telekom.de> wrote:
Hi all,

Huub and Dieter mentioned during the CAMP session in London that ITU-T Q6 h=
as some concerns about additional values in document.

Huub mentioned that - I asked a follow-up question regarding the exchange o=
f power values (see below).


Gabriele mentioned the reason for adding these values and we will update th=
e documents with explaining text. During our common meeting with ITU-T at I=
ETF  86 Pete Anslow mentioned: Transmit power may be useful, beyond that I =
cannot think of anything else you may want to set.

If you guys have still concerns lets discuss these points on the list.
The question I have is the following:

The draft defines LMP protocol messages (sub-objects) to convey the (curren=
t?) Output Power at the Ss
reference point and the Current Input Power at the Rs reference point from =
OXC1 to OLS1 and OXC2 to OLS2,
respectively. This is my interpretation. Now, I would like to understand fo=
r what purposes these power values
are exchanged.

My suggestion at the meeting was to add some explanatory text to the draft =
describing the application that
makes use of these values, i.e., that motivates the definition of these LMP=
 extensions.


Thanks,
Dieter


Best regards

Ruediger







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m such that both have the same understanding of its characteristics.&nbsp;
 I think it is either a red herring or a blue whale to continue using the t=
erms UNI/ENNI/INNI in our work as they were not defined by the IETF and the=
ir definitions are not necessarily aligned with what we want to do.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">As another reminder, up u=
ntil the time it was published, RFC 4208&#8217;s title was &#8216;GMPLS
</span><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Support for the Overlay Model=
&#8217;.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Yours Irrespectively,<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">John<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
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4.0pt">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;color:windowtext"> Gert Grammel
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 17, 2014 4:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe); Fatai Zhang; John E Drake;=
 Dieter Beller; RKunze@telekom.de; ccamp@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleag=
ues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi Fatai &amp; Gabriele,<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">given the lack of definit=
ion for UNI/ENNI/INNI in IETF, we better focus on protocols in this discuss=
ion. As a reminder: &nbsp;LMP is described in RFC4204 and doesn&#8217;t
 contain any of the 3 buzzwords just mentioned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Gert<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:windowtext"> CCAMP [<a href=3D"mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">=
mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 March 2014 09:14<br>
<b>To:</b> Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; Dieter Beller; <a href=3D"mailto:RKun=
ze@telekom.de">
RKunze@telekom.de</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org">ccamp@ietf.org</a>=
<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleag=
ues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Hi Fatai,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Black link lies between a D=
WDM transceiver and a DWDM network (e.g. ROADM).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">So on UNI for sure. &nbsp;B=
ut, if You have Regenerators in the DWDM network the black link can be on t=
he E-NNI and I-NNI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Regards,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Gabriele<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
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ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Fatai Zhang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zhang=
fatai@huawei.com">zhangfatai@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, March 17, 2014 3:12 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>John Drake &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jdrake@juniper.net">jdrake@juni=
per.net</a>&gt;, Gabriele Galimberti &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.c=
om">ggalimbe@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Dieter Beller &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Dieter.=
Beller@alcatel-lucent.com">Dieter.Beller@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;,
 &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:RKunze@telekom.de">RKunze@telekom.de</a>&quot; &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:RKunze@telekom.de">RKunze@telekom.de</a>&gt;, &quot;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org">ccamp@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:ccamp@ietf.org">ccamp@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleag=
ues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">Hi John,</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">Thanks, I knew RFC4207 &amp; RFC4209 and LMP is optional and more (~100%)=
 used in I-NNI context.
</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">My concern could be stated in another way mo=
re explicitly:
</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Usecases or scenarios are needed to describe=
 where the black link lies, UNI, E-NNI or I-NNI, and then
 describe why LMP ext is needed, rather than bring out a lot of parameters =
to be carried in LMP protocol without justification. &nbsp;</span><span lan=
g=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Best Regards</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=
=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Fatai</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-f=
areast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:=
ZH-CN">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ta=
homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:ZH-=
CN">
 John E Drake [<a href=3D"mailto:jdrake@juniper.net">mailto:jdrake@juniper.=
net</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 14, 2014 8:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Fatai Zhang; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe); Dieter Beller=
; <a href=3D"mailto:RKunze@telekom.de">
RKunze@telekom.de</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org">ccamp@ietf.org</a>=
<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleag=
ues</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</s=
pan><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">Fatai,</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">LMP already has technology specific extensions for SDH and WDM. &nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">Yours Irrespectively,</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">John</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language=
:ZH-CN">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:Z=
H-CN">
 CCAMP [<a href=3D"mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf=
.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Fatai Zhang<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 14, 2014 12:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe); Dieter Beller; <a href=3D"=
mailto:RKunze@telekom.de">
RKunze@telekom.de</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org">ccamp@ietf.org</a>=
<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleag=
ues</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</s=
pan><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">Hi Gabriele,</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">I prefer the first option, because CCAMP always follow the *<b>G</b>*MPLS=
 principle: generic/generalized-&gt;specific.
</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Note that you did not clarify how to justify=
 which parameters can/(can not) be exchanged.
</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Best Regards</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=
=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Fatai</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-f=
areast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:=
ZH-CN">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ta=
homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:ZH-=
CN">
 Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) [<a href=3D"mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.com=
">mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 14, 2014 3:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Fatai Zhang; Dieter Beller; <a href=3D"mailto:RKunze@telekom.de"=
>RKunze@telekom.de</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org">ccamp@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleag=
ues</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</s=
pan><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Hi All,&nbsp;=
</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span>=
<span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Thanks for th=
e comments and suggestion.</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-lan=
guage:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">The first act=
ion I would take is update the draft with the explanations requested during=
 the ccamp session and in mailing list.</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"ms=
o-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span>=
<span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">I'm not aware=
 of any LMP extensions to support other technologies as Fatai is asking (ap=
art the recent draft on sson), &nbsp;I think this can be a matter
 of collaboration</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-=
CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Discussing al=
so whether to extend the existing draft or propose a new one.</span><span l=
ang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">I prefer the =
second option.</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span>=
<span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">I'd also note=
 that the LMP is not an extension of the UNI, LMP is a management protocol =
to help interface management:</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-=
language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Discovery, ne=
gotiation, alarm correlation, etc. &nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"=
mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">It can run on=
 interfaces not &quot;served&quot; by UNI e.g. On spans between ROADMS.</sp=
an><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span>=
<span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Regards,&nbsp=
;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span>=
<span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Gabriele</spa=
n><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
</div>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"110" height=3D"73" id=3D"_=
x0000_i1026" src=3D"cid:image001.png@01CF41B3.D13EF7F0" alt=3D"http://www.c=
isco.com/swa/i/logo.gif"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#666666">Gabriele Galimberti</span></b><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;=
color:#666666"><br>
<b>Technical Leader</b><br>
<b>Cisco Photonics Srl</b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size:6.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#666666">Via Phili=
ps, 12</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#666666">20900 - Monza (MI)<br>
Italy<br>
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ww.cisco.com/global/IT/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"color:#666666"><a href=3D"mailto:g=
galimbe@cisco.com">ggalimbe@cisco.com</a></span></u><br>
Phone :<b><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:#666666">&#43;39 039 2091462</span></b><span style=
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Fax :<b>&#43;39 039 2092049</b></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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t"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span>=
<span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Fatai Zhang &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com">zhangfatai@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, March 14, 2014 2:22 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Dieter Beller &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Dieter.Beller@alcatel-lucent=
.com">Dieter.Beller@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:RKu=
nze@telekom.de">RKunze@telekom.de</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:RKunze@te=
lekom.de">RKunze@telekom.de</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org=
">ccamp@ietf.org</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org">ccamp@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleag=
ues</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span>=
<span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">Hi Ruediger and other authors,</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-farea=
st-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">I agree with Dieter&#8217;s point.
</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">Is it really known what information can/should be exchanged and what can/=
should not? How to justify?</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-la=
nguage:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">In addition, do you see any draft about LMP =
ext over UNI for other technologies such as OTN, WSON, SDH,
 etc. defined in CCAMP? </span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-langu=
age:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">If no, why not make this draft more generic?=
</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast=
-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">I would also kindly suggest the authors have=
 a look at the OIF UNI IAs (UNI 1.0 &amp; UNI 2.0 and their difference)
 to see if it really makes sense to have LMP ext over UNI. </span><span lan=
g=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast=
-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Best Regards</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=
=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-=
fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Fatai</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-f=
areast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN=
">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:=
ZH-CN">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ta=
homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:ZH-=
CN">
 CCAMP [<a href=3D"mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf=
.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dieter Beller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:RKunze@telekom.de">RKunze@telekom.de</a>; <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org">
ccamp@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 MIB concerns addressed by ITU-T colleag=
ues</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</s=
pan><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"=
>Hi Ruediger,</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">On 13.03.=
2014 15:36,
<a href=3D"mailto:RKunze@telekom.de">RKunze@telekom.de</a> wrote:</span><sp=
an lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Hi all,</span>=
<span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><=
span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Huub and Diete=
r mentioned during the CAMP session in London that
<b>ITU-T Q6 has some concerns</b> about additional values in document. </sp=
an><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"mso-fa=
reast-language:ZH-CN"><br>
Huub mentioned that - I asked a follow-up question regarding the exchange o=
f power values (see below).<br>
<br>
</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><=
span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Gabriele menti=
oned the reason for adding these values and we will update the documents wi=
th explaining text. During our common meeting with ITU-T
 at IETF&nbsp; 86 Pete Anslow mentioned: Transmit power may be useful, beyo=
nd that I cannot think of anything else you may want to set.</span><span la=
ng=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><=
span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">If you guys ha=
ve still concerns lets discuss these points on the list.</span><span lang=
=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"mso-fa=
reast-language:ZH-CN">The question I have is the following:<br>
<br>
The draft defines LMP protocol messages (sub-objects) to convey the (curren=
t?) Output Power at the Ss<br>
reference point and the Current Input Power at the Rs reference point from =
OXC1 to OLS1 and OXC2 to OLS2,<br>
respectively. This is my interpretation. Now, I would like to understand fo=
r what purposes these power values<br>
are exchanged.<br>
<br>
My suggestion at the meeting was to add some explanatory text to the draft =
describing the application that<br>
makes use of these values, i.e., that motivates the definition of these LMP=
 extensions.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Dieter<br>
<br>
</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><=
span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Best regards
</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><=
span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Ruediger</span=
><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><=
span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><=
span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><=
span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
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ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">&nbsp;</span><=
span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"mso-fa=
reast-language:ZH-CN"><br>
<br>
</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<pre><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">___________________________=
____________________</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:=
ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">CCAMP mailing list</span><s=
pan lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></pr=
e>
<pre><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><a href=3D"mailto:CCAMP@iet=
f.org">CCAMP@ietf.org</a></span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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