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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The dash l=
ine represents the link with discrete variable bandwidth.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">When the b=
andwidth requirements couldn't be satisfied on the link between B and C, &n=
bsp;it should be C to return the PATHERR message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">It might b=
e not clear in the current draft, I will update the draft to make it clear.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">BR,<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Amy</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=
=CE=CC=E5;color:windowtext">=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span>=
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=
=CE=CC=E5;color:windowtext"> ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@i=
etf.org]
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5;color:wi=
ndowtext">=B4=FA=B1=ED </span>
</b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5=
;color:windowtext">Yuji Tochio<br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5;color:wi=
ndowtext">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5;colo=
r:windowtext"> 2013</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=
=CE=CC=E5;color:windowtext">=C4=EA<span lang=3D"EN-US">9</span>=D4=C2<span =
lang=3D"EN-US">17</span>=C8=D5<span lang=3D"EN-US">
 16:54<br>
</span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"> ccamp@ietf.org<br>
</span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> Re: [CCAMP] draft-long-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-01<o:p></o:p>=
</span></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi all<br>
<br>
FYI:<br>
As to #4 (comment from me) below, I had offline talk with Amy via e-mail an=
d <br>
she has understood the point.<br>
So I believe the editors will update the draft per my comments.<br>
<br>
Thanks, Yuji <br>
<br>
(2013/08/01 17:59), Amy wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Hi CCAMPers,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">There were some questions and comments=
 after the presentation of
<em>draft-long-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability</em> and <em>draft-long=
-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension</em>.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Below are the comments and replies:</s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">1. The motivation
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">[Authors] For the links with variable =
discrete bandwidth, availability is used to decribe the bandwidth. It's pro=
posed to add&nbsp;the availability as an paramter along with the
 bandwidth request. Without this extension, the link bandwidth cannot get g=
ood utilization: for example, the node may reserve the bandwidth with&nbsp;=
99.999% availability while the actual requirement is only 99.9%,&nbsp;and c=
onsequently it can not reserve the bandwidth
 when the real requirement with 99.999% availability comes.</span><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">2. The mechanism, how to use the avail=
ability profile</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">[Authors]&nbsp;Once the link is set up=
, the information on availability and bandwidth is saved in the link bandwi=
dth capacity table on local node, and should also be propagated
 in the routing message to calculate a path. When the bandwidth request com=
es, the node will compare the request with the link capacity table. If the =
request can be satisfied, the bandwidth is reserved and the link capacity t=
able is updated.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">3. What will happen if there are two l=
inks between C and D(see the figure in the slides), will it end up with mul=
tiple path?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">[Authors] When there are multiple link=
s between two nodes, the link aggregation&nbsp;may be used so that the two =
links can be treated as one logic link.&nbsp;&nbsp;And the&nbsp;link aggreg=
ation
 should be transparent to resource resveration as it belongs to the link la=
yer technology,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">4. When the requirements in the PATH m=
essage couldn't be satisfied,&nbsp;D should send the PATHERR message.</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">[Authors] If the requirements couldn't=
 be satisfied, to keep the consistent with the normal process, the&nbsp;res=
v process is terminated&nbsp;at C, C should send the PATHERR message,&nbsp;=
&nbsp;and
 RESV message won't be passed to D.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">5. In TSVWG, there's a draft on multip=
le-TSPEC which might be useful in this case.&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">[Authors] After looking into the draft=
-ietf-tsvwg-intserv-multiple-tspec-02,&nbsp;it might&nbsp;work to add a ava=
ilability field in the TSPEC instead of having a sub-TLV in bandwidht
 profile TLV&nbsp;(&nbsp;if I understand correlty). </span><span lang=3D"EN=
-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Thank&nbsp;Khuzema, Lou, Yuji, Dieter =
to give their comments. And more comments are appreciated.</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">BR,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Amy Ye(on behalf of co-authors)</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">_______________________________________________<o=
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